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Topic Subject:8 civs plz!
erikthered
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posted 01-27-05 09:18 PM CT (US)         
first of all japan
portugal
inca
maya
british
french
spanish
americans


dutch etc germans yata yata yata 8 civs oh yes we are fooled probally! swedish and many more probally


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Barberousse
Squire
posted 01-28-05 05:37 PM CT (US)     1 / 18       
We know for a fact that Incas and Mayas will only be in as tribes, not civs you can play as. And Americans are highly unlikely to appear, this is about colonization.
DK_Viper5
Banned
posted 01-28-05 06:51 PM CT (US)     2 / 18       
Good chance that Colonial America=Expansion
MW
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(id: Medieval Warfare)
posted 01-28-05 07:00 PM CT (US)     3 / 18       
lief ericson
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posted 01-28-05 07:35 PM CT (US)     4 / 18       
I don't get why people want Maya in this game. They were extinct by the 1400's...

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Guzzardo32
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posted 01-28-05 07:58 PM CT (US)     5 / 18       

Quote:

They were extinct by the 1400's...


Extinct doesn't sound appropiate here...
WhoAskedU
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posted 01-28-05 10:28 PM CT (US)     6 / 18       
How about they were assimulated?

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Silk
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posted 01-28-05 10:29 PM CT (US)     7 / 18       
Accurate though. The Spanish all but wiped them out.

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nuevointi
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posted 01-29-05 03:17 AM CT (US)     8 / 18       
Inca or South American Revolutionary army under Simon
Bolivar
Unites States under George Washington
Japan
Great Britian
Spain
Ottoman Empire
Russia
Germany
French

I know this is nine and not eight but I just don't see how you can leave out any of these nations considering the time period. Between 1700-1900 century.

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Talon Karrde
Squire
posted 01-29-05 05:50 AM CT (US)     9 / 18       
I don't get it still...why is everyone so obsessed wih japan?

Bah.
MW
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(id: Medieval Warfare)
posted 01-29-05 09:18 AM CT (US)     10 / 18       
I have no clue. I'm sick of them literally.

But don't listen to me. I'm Chinese.

Compa_Mighty
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posted 01-29-05 11:05 AM CT (US)     11 / 18       
The Maya were far from gone! Sure, they didn't have the power they had in the year 750 AD, but they were still there. In fact, the Spaniards didn't erradicate the problem they posed to them until early in the 1530's, ten years after they had already conquered the Aztecs.

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Benceno
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posted 01-30-05 08:10 AM CT (US)     12 / 18       
I guess that ES could keep saying that the 8 civs are europeans but no one will listen them anyway.

As far as I know, Japan is not in Europe, and the Ottoman Empire is VERY unlikely because it is not a "european" civilization and besides they had a quite small role in America.

Cheruscan
Squire
posted 01-30-05 10:09 AM CT (US)     13 / 18       
8 European Civ's but only one is non Historic.....Germans

Britain
France
Spain
Portugal
Netherlands
Russia
Sweden
Germany

All of these had colonies in America or Western Hemisphere.

The only other was Denmark.Venice is the other sea power but no colonies!

Japan is not a European Power.....Ottomans....no way Jose'

Forget about Japan, Ottomans or any other civ's.This is about colonization of America.Not an European Game as such.That may be the subject for AOE 4......for those who are hooked on Europe 1648-1848 or those demanding a Napoleonic game.

The expansion may well be Europe and Asia or Africa.

ES Can't please everyone and AOE 4 will keep interest and revenue coming in.


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Gamer man
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posted 01-30-05 11:13 PM CT (US)     14 / 18       
no offence, but this is teh worst list i have seen yet, 3 american civs and japan, all of which IGN says wont be in as they CLEARLY said 8 EUROPEAN powers.

btw, even my japanese teacher laughs at teh fact that people are saying japan should be in teh game.


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Esau
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posted 01-31-05 08:32 AM CT (US)     15 / 18       
Same thoughts here, really don't understand why people still come up with lists like this, even when ist's clear that there will be only the 8 Europeon Powers playable.

Why don't we discuss the differences between these European countries and their possible bonusses/weaknesses, instead of arguing why the Mexican revolutionairy army should be included.
What Cheruscan said, ES can't please everyone...

Well, I've been thinking, and it's pretty hard to imagine what kind of strenghts the German/Russian civ's should have, really not the great colonists of that time

Maybe a new topic to discuss ONLY these 8 European civ's???

nuevointi
Squire
posted 01-31-05 02:12 PM CT (US)     16 / 18       
South American Revolutionary Army:

I certainly respect the fragile ego's of those people who want to play European nations. Always playing from power. European colonization is the seed of modern civilizations and is certainly something to be proud of, but not a reason to exclude other DYNAMIC GAME play, which includes the introduction of a South American Revolutionary Army. Essentially, unlike their revolutionary patriots in the north, Simon Bolivar and his armies fought against well trained and equipped Spanish Army with weapons not unlike what the Inca's fought with some 300 years earlier. But this time they won. Reasons include tactical usage of the terrain, but mostly it was pure guts and morale they derived from their leaders. And unlike the Inca's the colonist where always outnumbered. So this was an incredible feat that only the cleverest of gamers can reproduce in real multi-player situations. But it is possible. My point why deny someone that challenge.

BERESERK mode:

In terms of game play morale can be switched to the ability to fight in berserk mode. As a suggesting, the introduction of "drugs" which warriors of the Amazon often used before going into battle to allow them to become intolerant to pain and fear.

Japan
Side note on Japan, I apologize for introducing them into the mix. I am not informed enough to make a case for them, but one can conclude this fact, the British did invade China, but they did not invade Japan. It does say something about the strength of the Japanese civilization during that time period.

[This message has been edited by nuevointi (edited 01-31-2005 @ 03:18 PM).]

Benceno
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posted 02-02-05 11:37 AM CT (US)     17 / 18       

Quote:


South American Revolutionary Army:

I certainly respect the fragile ego's of those people who want to play European nations. Always playing from power. European colonization is the seed of modern civilizations and is certainly something to be proud of, but not a reason to exclude other DYNAMIC GAME play, which includes the introduction of a South American Revolutionary Army. Essentially, unlike their revolutionary patriots in the north, Simon Bolivar and his armies fought against well trained and equipped Spanish Army with weapons not unlike what the Inca's fought with some 300 years earlier. But this time they won. Reasons include tactical usage of the terrain, but mostly it was pure guts and morale they derived from their leaders. And unlike the Inca's the colonist where always outnumbered. So this was an incredible feat that only the cleverest of gamers can reproduce in real multi-player situations. But it is possible. My point why deny someone that challenge.

BERESERK mode:

In terms of game play morale can be switched to the ability to fight in berserk mode. As a suggesting, the introduction of "drugs" which warriors of the Amazon often used before going into battle to allow them to become intolerant to pain and fear.

Japan
Side note on Japan, I apologize for introducing them into the mix. I am not informed enough to make a case for them, but one can conclude this fact, the British did invade China, but they did not invade Japan. It does say something about the strength of the Japanese civilization during that time period.

Nuevointi, I think that most of the other who replied would agree with you there (I certainly do), playing as the different independist factions in America would be both entertaining and challenging, but my point was that ES clearly said that there would be only 8 playable civs and all of them would be european, not american, not asian (Russia has always been much closer to Europe that to Asia).

AQu01rius
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posted 02-02-05 12:17 PM CT (US)     18 / 18       

Quote:


can conclude this fact, the British did invade China, but they did not invade Japan. It does say something about the strength of the Japanese civilization during that time period.

I totally disagree.

Japanese was only temporary strong when Tokugawa united the country together as a nation in 1600's. However, they locked themselves after, refusing to have any relationship with the outside world until 1860's, when two American ships forced Japan to open its ports. The event later caused the Meiji Restoration, which quickly led Japan to a industrialized nation.

Japan should be a civilization is AOE3, however, if they are going to be there, there is no reason China are not going to be there as well. We all know China's great nautical skills in earlier times. Ignore the facts of the past, the nearest one from European's Colonial Age was this:

http://www.chinavoc.com/history/ming/zh.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He#Biography

Even until 1600's, China was still top-notch in military, economy, etc. But then China began to corrupt as centuries go by. The rising European industrialized nations soon took over.

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