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Topic Subject:The end of the road for the Persians?
Barberousse
Squire
posted 01-06-05 03:12 PM CT (US)         
As we all know, the Persians are the only civilization to have appeared in both AOE and AOE II, but the chances of seeing them in AOE III, which will only feature 8 civilizations and will focus on the colonisation of the New World, are pretty slim. The best we can hope for is that an expansion pack will cover the colonies of Africa and Asia, which could give a chance to Persia.

But for the moment, it seems likely that we won't be seeing everybody's favourite war elephant experts for a long time. Here you can say how much you will regret them.

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Mokon
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posted 01-06-05 04:00 PM CT (US)     1 / 26       
well war elephants also stopped being used around this time.. so even if they did have it

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  • Theris264
    Squire
    posted 01-06-05 05:03 PM CT (US)     2 / 26       
    By this time, the Persian empire was part of the Ottaman empire.

    Theris264
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    erikthered
    Squire
    posted 01-06-05 06:15 PM CT (US)     3 / 26       
    all there elephants are DEAD now
    lief ericson
    Squire
    posted 01-06-05 08:56 PM CT (US)     4 / 26       
    My poor, poor Persians. One day they will return! Mark my words...

    SEXITUP.
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    Guzzardo32
    Squire
    posted 01-06-05 09:11 PM CT (US)     5 / 26       
    *In the future an alien civilization will come and will conquer the world.
    They will be known as the Persans.*

    Anyway, I don't think that by the time covered by a possible expansion there will be War Elephants.

    [Edited by Guzzardo32 (edited 5-7-1948 @ 9:24 a.m.]

    Gamer man
    Squire
    posted 01-06-05 09:16 PM CT (US)     6 / 26       
    hey, they did add large guns to the tops of elephants durring the 1700's.

    And they did excist until WW1 (when iran replaced them)

    but no, this will prolly be the end of them...:-( [and the fact that egypt had a nation for AOE 1 and 2 (saracins in #2) and for AoM too].


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    Guzzardo32
    Squire
    posted 01-06-05 09:32 PM CT (US)     7 / 26       

    Quote:

    And they did excist until WW1 (when iran replaced them)


    There is still a Persia!

    [This message has been edited by Guzzardo32 (edited 01-06-2005 @ 09:33 PM).]

    Anujkhamar
    Squire
    posted 01-07-05 03:14 AM CT (US)     8 / 26       
    and war elephants were in use till about 1900 i think
    Persian_Paladin
    Squire
    posted 01-07-05 04:29 AM CT (US)     9 / 26       
    (wow my AOKH screename still works)

    Yea, its definatly sad that the Persians will be left out of AoE:III...I was hoping that the game would be on a more global scale but I know it will be great nonetheless.

    It's strange to be back on this forum...its been years since I last posted because I was a really into AoK but I never really liked AoM as much...

    [This message has been edited by Persian_Paladin (edited 01-07-2005 @ 04:38 AM).]

    Emperor Archie
    Squire
    posted 01-07-05 05:21 AM CT (US)     10 / 26       
    Even if war elephants would make comeback in Aoe3 x-pack, or in later parts, I'm sure that they wont exist. War elephants are out now and forever. Until they (maybe) remake age of empires 1 and 2.
    Pioneer
    Squire
    posted 01-07-05 07:20 AM CT (US)     11 / 26       

    Quote:

    By this time, the Persian empire was part of the Ottaman empire.

    Completely incorrect. Persia was never under Ottoman rule and it still exists.

    [JPEG, (70.28 KB)]

    For instance, the Safavid dynasty of Persia as seen above lasted for 200 years. And the dynasty of Nader Shah even managed to sack Delhi in India.

    Aro
    AoKH Dictator
    posted 01-07-05 09:12 AM CT (US)     12 / 26       
    Actually, War Elephants stopped being used around the time AoK is based on.

    Regardless of all that, AoE III will take place in North America. No civs from the MidEast participated in the colonization of the continent.


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    Cataphract887
    Squire
    posted 01-07-05 09:42 AM CT (US)     13 / 26       
    noooo persians and crazy strong eles must be in! maybe a secret civ?
    Ikki
    Squire
    posted 01-07-05 09:30 PM CT (US)     14 / 26       
    Well persia could be a fun civ for "asia chapter", if such a addon ever happens.

    Naturally with elephants.

    And then its just a issue of doing a colonisation campaign with persia
    Elephants take tenochtitlan!

    Gamer man
    Squire
    posted 01-08-05 02:34 AM CT (US)     15 / 26       
    england use to use elephants to mount guns upon over in india, maybe we will see "persian elephant" as a mercinary unit

    Moooers are remembered, chirpers never die, splashers are invincable

    [This message has been edited by Gamer man (edited 01-08-2005 @ 02:34 AM).]

    SchighSchagh
    Squire
    posted 01-08-05 11:41 AM CT (US)     16 / 26       
    dam im gonna miss those big grey blobs on my screen that go around trampling every1.

    at least i still have all my other aoe games that do have war eles.


    - SchighSchagh
    Imperialles
    Squire
    posted 01-08-05 02:26 PM CT (US)     17 / 26       
    The Persian Empire has existed in periods since 650 BC till now. There is no country called 'Persia' today, though, they changed the name to Iran in 1935.

    I can't seem to find any articles regarding the use of elephant-mounted cannons anywhere but RoNH, so I find it most likely to be a work of fiction. Such a construction could be neither very accurate nor easily carried, even by an elephant. And war elephants weren't really much used past the 1100s.

    Ikki
    Squire
    posted 01-08-05 02:35 PM CT (US)     18 / 26       
    well, actually persia was wiped out by alexander the great.

    neither timur, saljuks nor partians were persians.

    Safavids recreated persia, retaking the land from timurs descendants. Timur had had a hobby of grinding cities into the dust wiping out all life.. so there was very little left of persia by then.

    Safavids did semi- well, it was their successors in the 18th c that just couldnt modernise well enough.
    In 1935 the persian ruler asked the world to stop calling the nation persia, and use iran instead.
    Perhaps as a admition that the nation just hadnyt been up to the name for centuries.

    Note, the taking of delhi, was when the mughals were in serious decline.. beset by maratha bandits and all vassals fighting each other. The whole of hindustan was nothing but chaos at that point... anyone could have done anything there... and sure enough brittish did, eventually

    Gurkhali
    Squire
    posted 01-08-05 08:51 PM CT (US)     19 / 26       
    Historically, elephants still were in use during this time period, but only in India. This was the Mughal era in Indian history, and the Mughals made heavy use of war elephants in their armies. India had been the first nation in the world to domesticate elephants and use them in warfare (3000 BC), and they were still a major part of Indian armies. India refused to part with their war elephants until the 19th century.

    Authentic suits of Mughal elephant armor from India, 18th century.


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    Long before the British came, Mughals were already mounting cannons on elephants, and using firearms from their backs. Before the Mughals, the ancient Hindus also used incendiary weapons and naphtha from the backs of their elephants.

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    Mounting cannons on animals was nothing new. Other armies in India, like those of the Sikhs, went so far as to mount cannons on other animals like camels. (Hindus even tried mounted battering rams and cannons on rhinos, don't know how well that worked out ).

    Later, the British, when they invaded India, did also adopt the strategy of using elephant-mounted cannons, and to pull cannons and ammunition.

    (As a sidenote, the Persians never used war elephants in their armies at any point in their history, except for a few in the army of Darius, which were imported from India, along with their Indian mahouts. You will not find references to war elephants in any of the ancient Persian military treatises. Dunno why they decided to give Persians elephants in the first place.. )

    four hundred babies
    Squire
    (id: Lord_Fadawah)
    posted 01-09-05 00:18 AM CT (US)     20 / 26       

    Quote:

    By this time, the Persian empire was part of the Ottaman empire

    Not really, the Sassinad Empire lasted until WW1, as many people have already noted. It actually won a number of victories against the Ottomans.

    SchighSchagh
    Squire
    posted 01-09-05 00:32 AM CT (US)     21 / 26       
    i was under the impression that war elephants werent ever the core of any actual army. they can be scared pretty easily in which case they can turn on their own side, so i think they were used more for an intimidation factor. (think about it: if u went into battle and saw these huge grey beasts for the first time, wouldnt u b demoralized? i think the romans lost a few battles here n there b/c of that at first, but after they got used to the eles soon enough and they lost their effect)

    - SchighSchagh
    Gurkhali
    Squire
    posted 01-09-05 01:51 PM CT (US)     22 / 26       
    In most armies of the world, elephants probably were used just for intimidation. But in India, they were one of the four main fources found in every army for 5,000 years (4 forces were - elephant (gaja), chariot (ratha), cavalry (turanga) and infantry (pada).

    A variety of tactics were used to make them effective. Often daggers were attacked to their tusks, sometimes tipped with poison, and some were even trained to wield swords in their trunks.

    One South Indian king even trained his elephants to swing massive iron balls on chains with their trunks. Then he armored them, and chained them together. So this wall of armored elephants would advance together, all whirling huge spiked flails in front of them, mowing down infantry. On their backs would also be armored soldiers hailing down arrows, or using long lances to spear the few survivors.

    Even their ability to go beserk was used by Indian kings. They would sometimes be covered in spiked armor from head to foot to prevent boarders, intoxicated with wine, pricked with swords to infuriate them, and let loose to rampage through enemy ranks.

    [This message has been edited by Gurkhali (edited 01-09-2005 @ 01:52 PM).]

    lief ericson
    Squire
    posted 01-09-05 10:43 PM CT (US)     23 / 26       

    Quote:

    (As a sidenote, the Persians never used war elephants in their armies at any point in their history, except for a few in the army of Darius, which were imported from India, along with their Indian mahouts. You will not find references to war elephants in any of the ancient Persian military treatises. Dunno why they decided to give Persians elephants in the first place.. )


    The Sassanid Persians (200 AD- 650 AD, approx) used Elephants in their armies, though they were imported from India.

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    DonK_UK
    Squire
    posted 01-10-05 12:33 PM CT (US)     24 / 26       
    Amazing post very interesting and boy did I chuckle at them camel pics lol I can imagine the hump being ripped off with the recoil !
    Titanus
    Squire
    posted 01-10-05 01:53 PM CT (US)     25 / 26       
    ^^lmao, thanks for that laugh.

    If you read this I am sorry to say that you just lost five seconds of your life that you wont be getting back.*

    *Actual time may vary.

    Gurkhali
    Squire
    posted 01-11-05 02:22 AM CT (US)     26 / 26       

    Quote:

    The Sassanid Persians (200 AD- 650 AD, approx) used Elephants in their armies, though they were imported from India.

    Didn't know that Were they actually used in battle, or just for transport though?

    Quote:

    Amazing post very interesting and boy did I chuckle at them camel pics lol I can imagine the hump being ripped off with the recoil !

    Lol!

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