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Evil Tailor
Squire
(id: Other White Meat)
posted 06-02-08 08:45 AM CT (US)         
...or On the Effect of Modern Popular Music. Sorry to all the dudes I misled to thinking this was going to be my suicide note, I guess I shouldn't have induced false hopes. Next time it might be for real, don't lose hope!

I was listening to Judas Priest's album 'Stained Class', namely to the song Better By You, Better Than Me. And you know what I was not thinking while listening to it? Committing a suicide. So I wondered, 'Maybe there's something wrong with me' and I listened to Ozzy Osbourne's Suicide Solution, still without so much as wanting to pinch my ear for my own harm. What I did feel like was having some wine.
I decided to expand my research and listened to Mercyful Fate's Into The Coven, but guess what? I didn't feel like participating in any Satanic get-together. (Or maybe just a little, but that might be because my back hurts and I think I could use a little pact.)
I even listened to Twisted Sister's Under The Blade and I hardly felt like sadomasochistic activities.

So what do you think? Could a song where some scouse weirdo chants 'Suicide' really make someone commit a suicide? Could a London-based rock band's cover song really reduce someone to taking their own life? Would they have committed suicide regardless of what music they were listening to? How much do you think music can really affect people, and do you feel music has strongly affected you?

This subject might be a bit old hat but I'm interested in hearing your opinions on matters such as these.

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Dead_End
Cavalier
posted 06-02-08 09:00 AM CT (US)     1 / 11       
I think the main problem isn't the music. It's the people themselves.

Whether it be drugs or alcohol or committing suicide after listening to music, if you do it it's your own fault.
You can't blame it on other people. (Some really do).

If you like such an artist you have to look in a normal way at them. = Don't worship 'em and take everything they say literally.
morgoth bauglir
Squire
posted 06-02-08 09:01 AM CT (US)     2 / 11       
Of course not, songs like them only get the blame from money-greedy parents/children/other relatives.

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Julius999
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posted 06-02-08 11:53 AM CT (US)     3 / 11       
No, I don't think the music itself has anything to do with it, it's more the glamour and image of suicide that attracts some people than the music. As for why it might be more likely for songs to make people think of suicide (which is possible, I don't know) than other things I would imagine it's because it's a lot easier for songs to have a depressing 'vibe' than to, say, extoll the benefits of Satanism.

The only sign here is that you're a rational, normal person. How dull.

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NeverFinished
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posted 06-02-08 06:33 PM CT (US)     4 / 11       
Its possible that if someone was already depressed a piece of depressing music could push them over the edge....I wouldn't imagine it would be often though, seeing as you wouldn't normally listen to any music if you're depressed.

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Scud
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posted 06-02-08 06:37 PM CT (US)     5 / 11       
Could a song where some scouse weirdo chants 'Suicide' really make someone commit a suicide?
Well the Liverpudlian accent is very grating after a while, and if forced to listen to it, I'd soon want out....

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Squire
(id: Lord_Fadawah)
posted 06-02-08 09:34 PM CT (US)     6 / 11       
I'm sure it's possible. Have you never felt sad after listening to a sad song? Have you never felt happy after listening to an upbeat song? Music *does* influence the way we think and behave, and I suppose in extreme cases it could push an unbalanced person over the edge.
Evil Tailor
Squire
(id: Other White Meat)
posted 06-02-08 11:55 PM CT (US)     7 / 11       
Music (and namely depressing, sad music) can have quite different effects on different people, 's what I think. When I was 13 and angsty, I listened to Korn which was somewhat correspondent to my anxiety of youth. In a sort of way I feel that helped me go through that phase, being able to take out the angst on that instead of, say, violence?
I imagine that a teen with more problems than just the normal amount of angst might lose control on where goes the line of admiration and just a bit too much admiration. Although this is hardly the music makers' fault -- a depressed person just interprets everything that happens to them as negative. What is important in depression is that somebody notices and reaches out their hand to help. This way they won't at least kill themselves because of a song, because a person who does that must be very lonely.

"While I'm profaning I might as well do the whole f*cking thing."
-- Christopher Hitchens
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morgoth bauglir
Squire
posted 06-03-08 02:48 AM CT (US)     8 / 11       
Bah, this seems to have the reverse effect on me. Every time I listen to "Umbrella", I seriously cosnsider suicide (or turning off the radio). However, listen to gloomy black metal, such as Burzum, puts me in a good mood, however weird that sounds.

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Evil Tailor
Squire
(id: Other White Meat)
posted 06-03-08 08:59 AM CT (US)     9 / 11       
Bah, this seems to have the reverse effect on me.
I've got that with ads. A good way to make me consider boycotting stuff is advertising it with a stupid ad.

"While I'm profaning I might as well do the whole f*cking thing."
-- Christopher Hitchens
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morgoth bauglir
Squire
posted 06-03-08 01:29 PM CT (US)     10 / 11       
Same for me, and probably 60% of (intelligent) human population...

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Aro
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posted 06-04-08 04:05 AM CT (US)     11 / 11       
Music's a mood changer, but I believe that, if you try to commit suicide, you're already in a psychological state where it's easy for you to kill yourself. The mood-changing abilities of the music is brought to an unnatural extreme. Music can be the trigger, but not the gun; if somebody is willing to kill themselves, it isn't the music, it's their shitty life, the damage to their mind/self-esteem up until that point. Their anger, emptiness and depression builds up and they decide against all logic to do it. It could easily be a video game, a scolding by your parents, a bad grade in school, a rejection by a friend/girl; and sometimes, yes, music. But it's not a normal reaction by any means, it's an extreme one amplified by an unstable mind.

If you're a mentally balanced person, of course, it will have no affect on you. Maybe change your mood a bit (listening to Rihanna or w/e the hell my sis listens to gets me very violent and irritated), but that's all. The parents that blame music use it as a scapegoat; they didn't properly raise their children. Even during puberty, stable kids will not view killing themselves as a solution, especially while listening to music.

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