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Wyo_Daniel
Squire
posted 07-15-08 06:50 PM CT (US)         
29 concrete blocks.
A twelve foot long 2x4 board.
A round tree trunk.
A crapload of rope.

All these items came together to form the coolest thing that has ever graced my "backyard" (I use the term "backyard" rather liberally, since all of the 8 acres I live on is technically my backyard). The counterweight for this thing is about 80 lb - 2 concrete blocks, and several smaller concrete bricks. The arm is 12 feet long. The ropes leading to the sling are an additional 8 to 9 feet. The rocks I used as ammo are about the size of my fist - heavy enough that I couldn't chuck them farther than 25 feet without blowing out my arm. And how far does my awesome trebuchet throw these rocks? About 150 ft! It took me a while to get the firing mechanism set up so that it releases just as the rock (still in the sling) is at the apex of its arc, but I worked it out! =D

Now, I know you don't care about that, and want to skip straight to the video and pics, so here are the links :

The Photobucket folder containing all the still pics I took

The first of several low-quality, no sound video clips I took. Just skip down to the video responses to see the rest of the video clips, in the appropriate order. Bear in mind that the video was taken on a low quality digital camera. I expect to be borrowing a high quality camcorder from a friend later this week, at which point I'll have a much better, long-term video up.

Tonight, I'm going to get the supplies for a much more *fun* type of ammunition than rocks. *Cough* dry ice bombs *cough*

I can't wait til I get the full video up. =)

"I mean, imagine someone screaming 'MAH PANTS' with no pants. Wouldn't that be a truly comical sight?" ---Quaazi
"HOLY CRAP WYO YOU'RE FAT!!!" ---Quaazi
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The Forest Man
Squire
posted 07-15-08 07:02 PM CT (US)     1 / 40       
Cool, I'd like to have one in my garden. But I would probably defer break things and kill people if I had one.

Hellö everywön.
Porsas
Squire
posted 07-15-08 08:02 PM CT (US)     2 / 40       
Now all you need is an army and no castle can stop you!

What we need is methane-fueled elephant flamethrowers.
four hundred babies
Squire
(id: Lord_Fadawah)
posted 07-15-08 08:50 PM CT (US)     3 / 40       
Great job. I imagine that you'd learn a lot about physics and mass and so on.

How accurate is the treb? Can you hit targets consistently?
Wyo_Daniel
Squire
posted 07-15-08 09:42 PM CT (US)     4 / 40       
Haven't bothered with accuracy, I've just been tweaking the firing mechanism. However, I imagine it wouldn't be very accurate at all, since the weight of the projectile significantly changes the point at which the sling releases. Thus the exact distance the projectile travels changes each shot. And I can't maintain a constant, precise setting along the X axis, either.

"I mean, imagine someone screaming 'MAH PANTS' with no pants. Wouldn't that be a truly comical sight?" ---Quaazi
"HOLY CRAP WYO YOU'RE FAT!!!" ---Quaazi

[This message has been edited by Wyo_Daniel (edited 07-16-2008 @ 00:38 AM).]

morgoth bauglir
Squire
posted 07-16-08 00:24 AM CT (US)     5 / 40       
Yay! Now our military might is unstoppable! Not even this thing they call gunpowder can stop us!

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viperiv
Squire
(id: EpIc CoMmandeR)
posted 07-16-08 01:51 AM CT (US)     6 / 40       
Cav rush?
VonCorgath
Squire
posted 07-16-08 05:28 AM CT (US)     7 / 40       
That looks awesome Wyo! Just judging from the landscape, I'm guessing you had a bit of difficulty locating that tree trunk? :P
Surge
Squire
(id: Lt_Surge99)
posted 07-16-08 07:52 AM CT (US)     8 / 40       
I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

Okay, okay, it's nice...

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Kor
Busschof Happertesch
(id: Derfel Cadarn)
posted 07-16-08 08:23 AM CT (US)     9 / 40       
How accurate is the treb? Can you hit targets consistently?
If he could, that would be one hell of an improvement over real trebs. They weren't all that great tbh.

Kor | The Age of Chivalry is upon us!
Wellent ich gugk, so hindert mich / köstlicher ziere sinder,
Der ich e pflag, da für ich sich / Neur kelber, gaiss, böck, rinder,
Und knospot leut, swarz, hässeleich, / Vast rüssig gen dem winder;
Die geben müt als sackwein vich. / Vor angst slach ich mein kinder
Offt hin hinder.
Eaglehaslanded
Squire
posted 07-16-08 08:34 AM CT (US)     10 / 40       
After watching the first of your videos, I was distracted by a link to a vid called "rich English guy and his trebuchet" or something similar. Awesome.

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Evil Tailor
Squire
(id: Other White Meat)
posted 07-16-08 10:47 AM CT (US)     11 / 40       
If he could, that would be one hell of an improvement over real trebs. They weren't all that great tbh.
Trebuchet's were considerably more accurate than most other ranged siege weapons so it's all about comparison and what you think is a large enough object to count hitting it 'consistently'. Also, gotta define 'consistently'? Furthermore, I think the idea with trebs was you could fling stuff over walls deep into the besieged towns.

On another note:
PORSAS where the hell did you come from and since when are you posting in this forum? (I'm Finnish too, I mean, I don't say this to EVERYONE who's new... )

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[This message has been edited by Other White Meat (edited 07-16-2008 @ 10:50 AM).]

morgoth bauglir
Squire
posted 07-16-08 11:16 AM CT (US)     12 / 40       
porsas is pig yay!

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Busschof Happertesch
(id: Derfel Cadarn)
posted 07-16-08 11:18 AM CT (US)     13 / 40       
Trebuchet's were considerably more accurate than most other ranged siege weapons so it's all about comparison and what you think is a large enough object to count hitting it 'consistently'. Also, gotta define 'consistently'? Furthermore, I think the idea with trebs was you could fling stuff over walls deep into the besieged towns.
Compared to other wooden projectile launching siege engines they were decent, compared to gunpowder artillery they were mediocre. Trebuchets could wreak havoc inside a town, because they would typically hit a house and pierce a roof, but this would be far from lethal damage, considering the size of the projectile. For example, during the siege of Maastricht in the winter of 1407 1500+ projectiles were fired into the town, and no people killed. There was only economical damage.

Apart from that, because of their arched trajectory, trebuchets had great difficulty hitting walls (contrary to the way they are depicted in games). It was much more effective to get up close to them with ladders or approach the gates with rams. This wasn't altered until gunpowder allowed attackers to fire in a level trajectory, and thus actually hit and damage walls and concentrate their attack on one part of the wall. This necessitated great and continuous innovations in city wall construction - something the defence against trebuchets had never really required.

Kor | The Age of Chivalry is upon us!
Wellent ich gugk, so hindert mich / köstlicher ziere sinder,
Der ich e pflag, da für ich sich / Neur kelber, gaiss, böck, rinder,
Und knospot leut, swarz, hässeleich, / Vast rüssig gen dem winder;
Die geben müt als sackwein vich. / Vor angst slach ich mein kinder
Offt hin hinder.
four hundred babies
Squire
(id: Lord_Fadawah)
posted 07-16-08 08:36 PM CT (US)     14 / 40       
So you just fire the treb into the other guy's town and pray that it hits something? Hmmm...I guess it would have been good psychological warfare at the very least.
nav
Squire
(id: nav_2004)
posted 07-16-08 08:48 PM CT (US)     15 / 40       
Haven't bothered with accuracy, I've just been tweaking the firing mechanism. However, I imagine it wouldn't be very accurate at all, since the weight of the projectile significantly changes the point at which the sling releases. Thus the exact distance the projectile travels changes each shot. And I can't maintain a constant, precise setting along the X axis, either.
You should research Ballistics. It always makes my trebuchets more accurate.

All joking aside, that's a neat project. I was thinking of doing something like this a few years ago, but space and cost were issues too big to overcome.



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Solivago
Squire
posted 07-16-08 09:24 PM CT (US)     16 / 40       
Awesome job to pile more on the profuse compliments I made a tiny catapult when I was a Boy Scout...ummmm...lol

Looks like most of it uses counterweights, so it' s more simple (well compared to the kind I saw of this pumpkin-catapult competition I saw on the History Channel. An awesome construction you have nonetheless) construction.

Have you tried it for biological warfare yet? Wooo kitty launcher! Man, I'm jealous...you could play Kitty Canon for real!

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Squire
(id: Turty)
posted 07-16-08 09:55 PM CT (US)     17 / 40       
That's pretty AWESOME, Wyo-Daniel!

I once built a 2' by 4' by 2' onager that threw golf balls 25 meters!

[This message has been edited by Turty (edited 07-17-2008 @ 08:48 AM).]

Lord Fenris
Banned
posted 07-17-08 06:39 AM CT (US)     18 / 40       
That looks AWESOME. I would give a lot of things to have the time, space and materials to make and use that.

I built an air gun (physics project) that fired a ping-pong ball clear across a soccer field. What's awesomer is that a group in the previous batch who did the same projectile launching project last year also made an air gun. The ball went straight across the field, over a railing, and made a hole in the roof of the neighbouring church.

[This message has been edited by Areknore (edited 07-17-2008 @ 06:39 AM).]

Wyo_Daniel
Squire
posted 07-17-08 12:54 PM CT (US)     19 / 40       
So you just fire the treb into the other guy's town and pray that it hits something?
I think that was the general idea. One interesting thing I read somewhere a while back was that they would use trebuchets to fire plague-infested corpses over the wall, into the enemmy's city.

And after seeing the way the machine fires firsthand, I can certainly agree about the huge, arching trajectory, It would be very hard to pinpoint a wall with that. So in other words, no, a trebuchet can't hit the broad side of a barn. =P
Wooo kitty launcher!
Rofl. I seriously considered it, until I saw how freaking far it shoots.
*Hugs Wyo's cat*

"I mean, imagine someone screaming 'MAH PANTS' with no pants. Wouldn't that be a truly comical sight?" ---Quaazi
"HOLY CRAP WYO YOU'RE FAT!!!" ---Quaazi
Porsas
Squire
posted 07-17-08 02:47 PM CT (US)     20 / 40       
On another note:
PORSAS where the hell did you come from and since when are you posting in this forum? (I'm Finnish too, I mean, I don't say this to EVERYONE who's new... )
Well I decided that after reading these forums for a year and a half I might as well register and share my "knowledge" (troll around). I would be Sika but that name was taken so I had to improvise. Me and my friends have our little AoE group (aprox. 8 active players) and we play every now and then. Have been doing so for almost 2 years now. Our rules greatly differ from the normal ones so please don't chalenge me to play with you on IGZ

What we need is methane-fueled elephant flamethrowers.
morgoth bauglir
Squire
posted 07-17-08 02:49 PM CT (US)     21 / 40       
I would be Sika but that name was taken so I had to improvise
Sika means pig too. Estonian and Finnish are practically the same.

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Porsas
Squire
posted 07-17-08 02:51 PM CT (US)     22 / 40       
Heck, we even have the same anthem. Only the lyrics differ.

What we need is methane-fueled elephant flamethrowers.
morgoth bauglir
Squire
posted 07-17-08 03:12 PM CT (US)     23 / 40       
Yeah, I like you finns. You're kewl. Hell, you even rebuilt our economy by buying all our booze!

Morgoth Bauglir/Quaazi - BORINGMETAL HEADTWAT
Huidin's Belief - The Siege (4.4) - 2475 - Birth Of The Uruk-Hai (4.1) (Best Sound of 2008)
Signature currently under construction. If you want to help out and provide me with the resources needed, download from the above links.
Porsas
Squire
posted 07-17-08 03:23 PM CT (US)     24 / 40       
Indeed. At the beginning of year 2007 we lowered the tax for alcohol and that caused us to stop buying our booze from Estonia. Then the goverment noticed that Finns were drinking themselves to death and raised the tax back to where it was. Here we come again!

Getting A BIT ot here... Sry.

What we need is methane-fueled elephant flamethrowers.
Surge
Squire
(id: Lt_Surge99)
posted 07-18-08 04:57 AM CT (US)     25 / 40       
Porsas, did you happen to chat in QNet channel #ageofempires (or #ageofempires.fi) ?

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