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NeverFinished
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posted 09-12-08 10:08 PM CT (US)         
Philosophy...it can depress the hell out of you........but lets talk about it...

Today's question is: What is good and evil?

Be as general as you like and go off on tangents if you must but make it interesting...don't forget insightful metaphors!

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Surge
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posted 09-18-08 03:54 PM CT (US)     76 / 90       
An interesting story of a friend of mine who took philosophy at school. His professor really made an impression on him by stressing there was no right and wrong and that he firmly belived this. Later that week, at a student/faculty party he noticed the same proffessor visibly upset as a guy made a move on his wife.
I think this is more about human biology. Alpha male, protecting your family and revire, and stuff like that.

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Cobra the Mediocre
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posted 09-18-08 05:41 PM CT (US)     77 / 90       
We weren't discussing those matters. We were talking about killing.
Ah, but we were, indirectly. Isn't a person's life their own property, their most important, sacred property? So it is by an extension that the highest crimes be repaid only with the highest property. Which is the point of retributive justice (Which I should have said instead of just "Justice?"). You appear to be more of the utilitarian sort, and while I'm not sure we're going to reach anything good out of this, at the very least we agree letting crazed murderers out on the streets is bad, and I'll happily settle for that.

I had a philosophy professor who once mentioned that she found it terrifying how many insane ways of justification people all around the world came to very similar conclusions. Interesting to think about.

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Evil Tailor
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posted 09-19-08 00:56 AM CT (US)     78 / 90       
Ah, but we were, indirectly. Isn't a person's life their own property
Good question? But I think life can't be counted as property. Property can be exchanged for other property, and you can't exchange your life for anything, really.
You appear to be more of the utilitarian sort, and while I'm not sure we're going to reach anything good out of this, at the very least we agree letting crazed murderers out on the streets is bad, and I'll happily settle for that.
Mmmkay, I'm just not that much into that tooth for tooth thing because of the pricelessness of life. I'm more of a transformative justice dude.

On truth: Today's feature article in Wikipedia is kinda cool.

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Gwame
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posted 09-19-08 08:43 AM CT (US)     79 / 90       
Good question? But I think life can't be counted as property. Property can be exchanged for other property, and you can't exchange your life for anything, really.
That could definitely be argued against. You can exchange your life for a worthy cause, such as the safety of another, etc.

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posted 09-19-08 03:32 PM CT (US)     80 / 90       
That could definitely be argued against. You can exchange your life for a worthy cause, such as the safety of another, etc.
So who decides whether your life will be exchanged? It's not like others can really use the absense of your life to anything. They can use the absense of your actions if they're 'evil'. Killing is not the only way to stop actions, dudes.

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morgoth bauglir
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posted 09-20-08 03:13 AM CT (US)     81 / 90       
What justice? How does killing a person make justice for anything?
FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

Sorry.

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posted 09-20-08 05:27 AM CT (US)     82 / 90       
FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

Sorry.
It's okay, that was pretty funny

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NeverFinished
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posted 09-23-08 05:04 PM CT (US)     83 / 90       
I hate to say this, but a large reson behind the death penalty is to discourage potential murderers. Set one killer as an example which noone shall forget.
Rules are meant to be broken....otherwise, they wouldn't be there...



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Eaglehaslanded replying to NeverFinished


The way you put it makes it seem as if he's talking to you!
GRRRRRRRRRRRRR...........

I'm not really angry...but its bothering me...

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Eaglehaslanded
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posted 09-23-08 05:13 PM CT (US)     84 / 90       
Rules are meant to be broken....otherwise, they wouldn't be there...
One of the most commonly quoted pieces of illogical...er...stuff. Rules are made because they were broken before they were made. They were made to be followed. If you wanted it broken, you wouldn't have made the rule.

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Scud
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posted 09-23-08 05:18 PM CT (US)     85 / 90       
Rules are meant to be broken....otherwise, they wouldn't be there...
Locke and the idea of a social contract; look it up.

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NeverFinished
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posted 09-23-08 05:23 PM CT (US)     86 / 90       
because they were broken before they were made.
How can that be?

Anyway, a lot of the times when rules are created and imposed upon a population, people feel that if they want to break them, they can kill two birds with one stone and fight the system as well...

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Eaglehaslanded
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posted 09-23-08 05:28 PM CT (US)     87 / 90       
What I mean is:
Something was happening that was not liked.
People made a rule preventing that.

The thing prohibited by the rule happened before the rule was made or there would be no point in making the rule.
people feel that if they want to break them, they can kill two birds with one stone and fight the system as well...
Example rule: Don't stand in front of the tanks.

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Evil Tailor
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posted 09-24-08 02:38 AM CT (US)     88 / 90       
The way you put it makes it seem as if he's talking to you!
GRRRRRRRRRRRRR...........
Sorry! I wasn't thinking about it that way! I'll change it to a more neutral version? But that's a funny quote and it was Eagle who said it and you ain't getting any credit on my sig. I just like the sex practice reference. (Perhaps unintended?)

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Eaglehaslanded
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posted 09-24-08 02:47 PM CT (US)     89 / 90       
Oh it was indented, my friend. Oh yes.

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NeverFinished
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posted 09-24-08 04:24 PM CT (US)     90 / 90       

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