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Topic Subject:A new school shooting in Finland
Major Helper
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posted 09-23-08 06:32 AM CT (US)         
Yet again, seems like Finland truly is the America of Europe.

Multiple people dead and dozens injured. The shooter is in custody, but he has shot himsef.

There are already many videos found from the internet with him waving guns and stuff. Seems like this guy is an exact copy of Pekka-Erik Auvoinen from before.


ALTHOUGH the police thinks there may be a bomb in the school the shooting happened in. There are also fires but they're under control.


This is stupid, where are we Finns going to???

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morgoth bauglir
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posted 09-23-08 07:48 AM CT (US)     1 / 24       
Again? Oh frack, Finland has some problems.

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Evil Tailor
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posted 09-23-08 08:10 AM CT (US)     2 / 24       
This is extremely sucky especially because this dude is, as it seems, a copycat of Auvinen's and this means more are coming. This will lead to all schools being locked 24/7 in the future and constant supervision on who enters the school area and so on. What pisses me off is these dudes don't care that life will be hell for just about everyone because of them, eventually.

Dudes need to stop shooting other dudes. Why can't people take out their stress through sports, music or computer games anymore?

It's extremely selfish and cowardly to shoot other people and then (apparently) try to shoot yourself. It doesn't demonstrate darwinism or anything, it's particularly the opposite: destroying life, not securing the survival of anything and not even subjecting yourself to the consequences. I'm telling you, those fat bastards in Coca-Cola Company's highest positions are the real social darwinists.

ALSO: what is it that these dudes have against schools, generally? This dude, too, could've opposed consumerism by doing what he did in an Ikea instead of a school were people were basically learning to be useful members of society.

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[This message has been edited by Other White Meat (edited 09-23-2008 @ 08:17 AM).]

Surge
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posted 09-23-08 08:32 AM CT (US)     3 / 24       
I blame the media. Last school shooting was everywhere for weeks if not months, and eventually we knew almost everything about Auvinen's life and ideas. They get way too much attention.

Now you may ask, what does he care for attention when he shoots himself. Well, it seems like only the thought of writing your name in history books is enough for people to do acts like these. Attention w****s. =/

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morgoth bauglir
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posted 09-23-08 08:36 AM CT (US)     4 / 24       
It's extremely selfish and cowardly to shoot other people and then (apparently) try to shoot yourself. It doesn't demonstrate darwinism or anything, it's particularly the opposite: destroying life, not securing the survival of anything and not even subjecting yourself to the consequences. I'm telling you, those fat bastards in Coca-Cola Company's highest positions are the real social darwinists.
Very well said. I've never quite understood the reasons shooters give. They are all either "for the greater good" or "philosophy" or "blame society". Gay.

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Murloc
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posted 09-23-08 09:51 AM CT (US)     5 / 24       
they could just suicidate...
Evil Tailor
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(id: Other White Meat)
posted 09-23-08 10:00 AM CT (US)     6 / 24       
they could just suicidate...
That's what I thought. It's not like it's so much better but in this case it would've been ten elevenths less bad. I don't usually endorse suicide but as opposed to murder-suicide it's even RECOMMENDED.

The problem with these shooters is they don't have a picture of an ideal society. They make efforts which contribute to general inconvenience instead of ones that would strive for the best for society -- or just himself.

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KayanZ
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(id: ZayanK)
posted 09-23-08 10:45 AM CT (US)     7 / 24       
Bang Bang You're Dead
Jatayu
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(id: Sword_of_STORM)
posted 09-23-08 11:21 AM CT (US)     8 / 24       
Well what do you expect with weak gun laws?

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Eaglehaslanded
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posted 09-23-08 12:58 PM CT (US)     9 / 24       
It really is terrible that this sort of thing happens. Some government advertising campaign is in order perhaps:

"Just shoot yourself"

The succinct and punchy slogan?

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Powery
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posted 09-23-08 01:37 PM CT (US)     10 / 24       
Why can't people take out their stress through sports, music or computer games anymore?
I think these shooters play games like Counterstrike 24/7, no sleep and *snap* something goes wrong in their head.
morgoth bauglir
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posted 09-23-08 02:03 PM CT (US)     11 / 24       
Let's blame computer games.

Actually, I've been playing a lot of BF2 recently. So if there are any "news" from estonia

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posted 09-23-08 03:07 PM CT (US)     12 / 24       
I've played Max Payne and Max Payne 2 a lot.

Does this means I'll become a tormented man with nothing to lose seeking revenge for the death of my wife and my child, relentlessly killing cops, mobs and junkies alike in cold blood?

Does this means I'll have Bullet-time skils?
Eaglehaslanded
Squire
posted 09-23-08 03:43 PM CT (US)     13 / 24       
I've played The Sims a lot, does this mean I'll become god?

I personally think this whole 'Computer games have a bad affect on people' thing has been hugely exaggerated anyway. Most people play shooters. Most people don't shoot up students. It just so happens that, every so often, someone goes over the edge and doesn't have the strength to die alone.

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General_Zavier
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posted 09-23-08 07:29 PM CT (US)     14 / 24       
and doesn't have the strength to die alone.
Or they've been made fun of all their life and hate everybody. In that case they want to end their tormentors lives, not necessarily their own.

Or they're just off their rocker like the Virginia Tech shooter and Columbine(alledgedly) shooters were.

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Evil Tailor
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posted 09-24-08 00:42 AM CT (US)     15 / 24       
I personally think this whole 'Computer games have a bad affect on people' thing has been hugely exaggerated anyway. Most people play shooters. Most people don't shoot up students. It just so happens that, every so often, someone goes over the edge and doesn't have the strength to die alone.
And people have gone mad before first person shooters. I claim that when someone's in the state of mind, anything will trigger the frenzy.
This dude said he hated the whole mankind. Pretty good for someone who's probably met about 0,0000001 % of the world's population at the most, Internet people included. (Do you consider to have met more than 600 people? I think this is a reasonable number of people you meet by the age of 20, when you start isolating and thinking of a pointless way to pay back for wrongs that most probably never existed. Oh wait, he said he'd been planning this since 2002. Right.)

Also, if he wanted to avenge personally, why didn't he just do it personally, Monte Cristo style? I certainly don't believe the nine people who've been confirmed dead were all responsible for his misery. You see, I dread death and if some nit's going to hold me responsible for his misery along with a mass of other people, I'm going to be super pissed.

It annoys me to no end that he said he hated all the mankind and yet did nothing to improve it -- quite the contrary. I think his main problem was that he didn't have a vision of a good society. That is, he didn't know what he wanted from society.

EDIT: All this makes me think one thing: right to bear arms my arse. I say confiscate all firearms from people who post shooting videos on Youtube. It's times like these that I almost start believing in totalitarianism.

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[This message has been edited by Other White Meat (edited 09-24-2008 @ 00:46 AM).]

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(id: Lord_Fadawah)
posted 09-24-08 04:04 AM CT (US)     16 / 24       
"Just shoot yourself"
I like that one. How about "Stop rape...say yes!"
Jatayu
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posted 09-24-08 04:22 AM CT (US)     17 / 24       
How easy is it to get a gun in Finland?

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Fattybryce
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posted 09-24-08 04:37 AM CT (US)     18 / 24       
right to bear arms my arse
Guns are bullsh!t, this law is bullsh!t, shotting other people is bullsh!t.
Whenever I here stuff like this I am so thankful I live here.

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Evil Tailor
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(id: Other White Meat)
posted 09-24-08 05:59 AM CT (US)     19 / 24       
I like that one. How about "Stop rape...say yes!"
Though no, that's not the same thing.
How easy is it to get a gun in Finland?
I think you have to belong to a firearms society or a registered hunting party or something, and be over 15 for small firearms. This is stupid. Handguns shouldn't be available for anybody except police officers, because NOBODY needs a handgun in Finland, except to defend themselves against these madmen who've got them. So, deny handguns from all and nobody needs them. Rifles are a different thing because they can be used for hunting and are harder to smuggle in public spaces. (Though not if you're Jackal from The Day of the Jackal. Man that guy's crazy. Not as bad as Joker though, who I think arranged all the school shootings.

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Surge
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posted 09-24-08 06:38 AM CT (US)     20 / 24       
I think that if you belonged to a registered firearms organization (like some shooting group/team, or a hunter party like OMW said), you should get a license to go to a shooting range or a legal shooting area, where you would be supervised (more or less) and you'd have to give the guns back when you leave. I think that would be the best solution - who needs to bring a gun to his home?

Rifles are a tough one. Hunters need them so you can't really supervise their use if the guy has a license. If I were to kill people, I'd just put the rifle and the bullets into a salibandy-bag since it is such a common sport here in Finland, go to some high place with good visibility, and let it fly without no one suspecting much before it starts. =/

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morgoth bauglir
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posted 09-24-08 09:36 AM CT (US)     21 / 24       
It's times like these that I almost start believing in totalitarianism.
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I've never loked sidearms. Guns are made for killing people in WAR, or killing animals for whatever reason you want (food, some sadistic sport, whatever). You need high-powered rifle or anything except an sidearm for that. Like OWM said, sidearms are only necessary for military of lawkeeper use (ironic that the weakest weapon should be used like that )

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Murloc
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posted 09-24-08 11:56 AM CT (US)     22 / 24       
People shouldn't have handguns if not for a specific purpose.

Rifles yes, you can use them to shoot at the polygon and to hunt some deers slurp!
Evil Tailor
Squire
(id: Other White Meat)
posted 09-24-08 12:10 PM CT (US)     23 / 24       
People shouldn't have handguns if not for a specific purpose.
Like a school shooting?

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Murloc
Squire
posted 09-24-08 03:15 PM CT (US)     24 / 24       
ofc legal purposes like witness protection XD
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