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golden_falcon
Squire
posted 09-23-08 04:25 PM CT (US)         
I have been reading recently of football players who die on the soccer field. It is a very sad issue, especially when it happens on our TV screens.

Famous deaths, like that of Marc-Vivien Foe, Feher and Antonio Puerto (apologies for lack of accents) are all very similar: heart related problems.

Now, I have videos of the on-pitch 'incidents' involving Foe, Feher and Puerto. Some may find them distressing, so be warned.

Foe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztg64Wuey8o&feature=related&resnum=4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJB_U5Z8G04&feature=related&resnum=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-EDKmDpoN0&feature=related&resnum=3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54Aqi_gZORE&feature=related&resnum=0(Feher too)

Feher:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54Aqi_gZORE&feature=related&resnum=0(same as last Foe one).

Puerto:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QmBgOxZZVU

So, what do you guys think? Should football bring in cardiac (heart) testing?

There are also deaths involving clashes with other players (accidental, of course), bad landings, or, in some cases, drowning, being stuck by lightning or running into pitch borders (e.g. protective concrete wall.) Do you guys think enough protection is in place during games?

I'm interested in your views.



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Eaglehaslanded
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posted 09-23-08 04:34 PM CT (US)     1 / 16       
In any sport, you push your body to the limit. You run the risk of pushing it too far. There's also the fact that people die at seemingly random times, so some must just happen to die playing. Silly to give players medicals all the time, you let kids play football in the park don't you?
Must be terrible to see though.

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golden_falcon
Squire
posted 09-23-08 04:36 PM CT (US)     2 / 16       
True, I'm just thinking a lot of players can have cardiac conditions that aren't identified. Sometimes, I think it would be better to be safe than sorry, but I know what you are getting at.



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Eaglehaslanded
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posted 09-23-08 04:37 PM CT (US)     3 / 16       
You'd stop a player playing because he had a cardiac condition? What else would he do?

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golden_falcon
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posted 09-23-08 04:40 PM CT (US)     4 / 16       
I wouldn't stop a player playing, by all means no. I was just wondering if, maybe in the future, FIFA would do something about it. Better change that bit in the thread XD, by no means would I stop someone from playing.



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Eaglehaslanded
Squire
posted 09-23-08 04:44 PM CT (US)     5 / 16       
You die when you die. It's unlucky, but I don't think there's anything that can really be done about it. They already have loads of medical staff at games, and I would think teams get regular medicals anyway. That Puerto, I think medical staff got to him in 10 seconds. Sometimes, no matter how many precautions you take, these things happen.

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Scud
Primus inter pares
posted 09-23-08 05:08 PM CT (US)     6 / 16       
If you die playing football: you're doing it wrong.

But other sports, like motorsport, are a different kettle of fish.

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Evil Tailor
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posted 09-24-08 02:54 AM CT (US)     7 / 16       
Famous deaths, like that of Marc-Vivien Foe, Feher and Antonio Puerto (apologies for lack of accents) are all very similar: heart related problems.
So, what do you guys think? Should football bring in cardiac (heart) testing?
Athletes' heart problems could be because of some substances they use? I heard of this one dude who used some hormones and died of a heart failure. Football isn't exactly an entirely doping-free field, and hasn't been in the past. Also, football is a sport including quick spurts and body shocks. This increases the risk of heart failure? This I believe.

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golden_falcon
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posted 09-24-08 03:11 AM CT (US)     8 / 16       
Athletes' heart problems could be because of some substances they use?
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This is true, but these three, for instance, were found without any chemical substances after an autopsy.
Also, football is a sport including quick spurts and body shocks. This increases the risk of heart failure? This I believe.
Again with these three, after autopsy's it was found they had a hereditary heart disease known as arrhythmogenic right ventricular cardiomyopathy.

They had this since birth. I do agree with you, but some cases it could to the aforementioned disease, with the sport itself, sometimes, not really affecting that much, as the disease affects people of a young age, which all of them were.



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Evil Tailor
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posted 09-24-08 03:47 AM CT (US)     9 / 16       
This is true, but these three, for instance, were found without any chemical substances after an autopsy.
But the abuse could've occurred long before, causing heart problems in the long term even if no chemical traces are left after all. I concede, though, that it's entirely possible to have these failures because of hereditary problems, but they don't necessarily initiate without something triggering them?

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morgoth bauglir
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posted 09-24-08 09:29 AM CT (US)     10 / 16       
There really ain't anything to do about it, however bad it is. The chances are very low, 99% of footballers don't fie during their career, so it's just a depressing rarity.

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Dead_End
Cavalier
posted 09-24-08 10:03 AM CT (US)     11 / 16       
Just like airplanes, only a few crash, but if they do it's widely published in the press.
Don't focus on the bad things of football, it's only a relatively small part that die.
Murloc
Squire
posted 09-24-08 11:50 AM CT (US)     12 / 16       
Amateur sport is healty and makes fit people.

When you reach that level, you push yourself to the limit, you hurt yourself, and it doesn't seems too strange to me that someone has a hearth attack.
Surge
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posted 09-24-08 12:34 PM CT (US)     13 / 16       
I don't know the word in English, but it's straight translation would be "over-condition", meaning that even if you're resting your heart is pounding with relatively higher rate than it should. The line between super-condition and over-condition is very thin, however. It is just that even if you push your body to the limit you _must_ give it time to recover. Eat, train, sleep.

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morgoth bauglir
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posted 09-24-08 01:06 PM CT (US)     14 / 16       
Recovery is half the training anyway.

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Evil Tailor
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posted 09-25-08 03:30 AM CT (US)     15 / 16       
It is just that even if you push your body to the limit you _must_ give it time to recover. Eat, train, sleep.
What Quaazi said. Resting is just as important as everything else in sports and ironically professional athletes sometimes lose it.

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four hundred babies
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(id: Lord_Fadawah)
posted 09-25-08 07:17 AM CT (US)     16 / 16       
I once heard of a guy who collapsed on the field in the middle of the game. He hadn't drunk any water all day because he wanted to build up his endurance, or some such. It goes to show that blame for most incidents like this can be laid at the participants' feet.
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