This post is intended to speak anything about barter. Well, let's get started: from the national news TV channel(too bad, I haven't subscribe a cable TV), I saw a market in Adonara, East Nusa Tenggara, Indonesia, used barter to buy stuffs; you can exchange a pineapple for a pack of fish, for example.
The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder. But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is (but) transient magic." They reject (the warning) and follow their (own) lusts but every matter has its appointed time. (Al-Qamar: 1-3)
War is a quarrel between two thieves that too coward to fight each other, uses their money to recruit soldiers, give them arms and uniforms, and letting them killing each other like wild animals. - Carlyle
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morgoth bauglir Squire
posted 12-28-08 06:46 AM
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Yes, what's so unbelievably shocking about barter markets?
so what? It's not usual but why not, in rural places where people lives with farms it isn't that "OOOOOH!".
Ornlu Recreational Procreator
posted 12-28-08 07:31 AM
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4 / 23
It's the perfect way of bypassing the use of a central bank.
None of us are free, one of us is chained.
Los Templiero Squire
posted 12-28-08 12:58 PM
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Well, it's just rather uncommon in our life.
The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder. But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is (but) transient magic." They reject (the warning) and follow their (own) lusts but every matter has its appointed time. (Al-Qamar: 1-3)
War is a quarrel between two thieves that too coward to fight each other, uses their money to recruit soldiers, give them arms and uniforms, and letting them killing each other like wild animals. - Carlyle
Rocking doom Squire
posted 12-28-08 01:05 PM
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It's a regular feature in the Poorer regions of the world.
Most guys over there do not have much in the name of money, so they need barter to use whatever they have to trade and survive.
Heaven is only what we aspire to
Everything has a reason
The purpose of life is Karm (Work), Without Work, Our lives are but purposeless- Hindu belief
Gwame Squire
posted 12-28-08 04:23 PM
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Double the pleasure - double the fun... If you got enough ammo, that is. But hey, that's what Viagra's for, sonny boy!
Double the pleasure - double the fun... If you got enough ammo, that is. But hey, that's what Viagra's for, sonny boy!
You already said that.
The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. ~Niels Bohr No matter how hard you try, you cannot outwit stupid people. ~Anonymous Romano British AAR ~Defunct. Kingdom of Albion AAR ~Finished 1/26/08. WRE Migration/Defensive AAR ~Defunct. Numidian Defensive AAR ~Ongoing
We need an Arocrat saviour. Before the flaming starts.
I don't see the need for an Arocratic savior just yet. I'll keep my eye on the thread of course... in case Gwame has any more Viagra zingers.
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Gwame Squire
posted 12-28-08 06:53 PM
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Gwame, spot on as usual. Keep the great posts up.
Thanks.
I'll keep my eye on the thread of course... in case Gwame has any more Viagra zingers
Actually I was hoping someone would realise that I was quoting True Crime: Streets of LA. The fact that two identical threads were posted and how people were remarking on that... It just reminded me of that game. So... no, I have no more readily available Viagra zingers... for the time being.
Why are you trying to be some kind of martyr in a peaceful Indonesian thread about barter? Show some remorse, show some shame Walk out of this thread now little Gwame.
None of us are free, one of us is chained.
Gwame Squire
posted 12-28-08 07:32 PM
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I just got deja vu from that old rap competition Scud and I hosted...
That's because you're so full of hate.
Why are you trying to be some kind of martyr in a peaceful Indonesian thread about barter? Show some remorse, show some shame Walk out of this thread now little Gwame.
Ranting in poetry was random and hopefully you'll abandon it jokingly Stop getting embarassed when socially you love dancing with older peeps, and it happens all soberly!
^^ Random two lines of six syllable multi-rhyming since it's become such a habit. Sorry if it sounds robotic!
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Los Templiero Squire
posted 12-28-08 07:38 PM
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Aro, I must admit that the post you've closed with the same title was an accident. Now, back to the topic! Viagra singers? Do they have any relation with Gwame? Eh, Ornlu, good poem.
The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder. But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is (but) transient magic." They reject (the warning) and follow their (own) lusts but every matter has its appointed time. (Al-Qamar: 1-3)
War is a quarrel between two thieves that too coward to fight each other, uses their money to recruit soldiers, give them arms and uniforms, and letting them killing each other like wild animals. - Carlyle
Ornlu Recreational Procreator
posted 12-28-08 07:40 PM
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Stop hijacking his thread, imbecile You're a poor rapper, poet and you're pure evil Let's continue this battle in Splash Splash Where I will abuse you and turn you into ash
Not one more post on this matter here President Aro's angry, and he's one to fear
None of us are free, one of us is chained.
four hundred babies Squire
(id: Lord_Fadawah)
posted 12-28-08 07:43 PM
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I have a feeling that money started out as an glorified IOU note. You'd do work for someone, and he'd give you a token you could trade at the market for things of value (food etc). As time passed on, people just started trading the tokens instead.
I remember reading a book as a child that totally smashed the illusion of money for me. I think it was called "Earthsearch", or something equally ambiguous. So, I open it up, and near the back, there's a section that says "Money: The Lie Revealed". So, I flipped to that and began reading.
It said, in general terms, that money was really just a papery green placeholder for actual stuff. I was young, so I didn't understand this, but fortunately, it had an easy to understand metaphor.
It said that when you walk into a candy store and place a dollar on the counter and the candy-guy gives you a wad of candy, you basically just totally gipped him in reality. Only by pretending money is worth something could it be a fair trade. That blew me away. I guess that's how I learned how currency worked, before that I couldn't understand anything besides barter.
I have a feeling that money started out as an glorified IOU note. You'd do work for someone, and he'd give you a token you could trade at the market for things of value (food etc).
I'm not really up to snuff on my basic ancient history, but it sounds like gold and silver coins were just that. Gold and silver really only looked pretty, it didn't have a function. But it was rare, so it worked as a representative of barter materials. I guess one gold piece = 400 Oxen, and it was easier to use a gold piece than actual oxen. Sorry if this is BS or totally obvious, but that's how I learned it.
I saw a market in Adonara, East Nusa Tenggara, Indonesia, used barter to buy stuffs; you can exchange a pineapple for a pack of fish, for example.
Life would be a lot simpler if things worked that way, but I suppose it only has merit in a small village environment. Anything larger would br too hard to manage.
Oh yeah, and because it says discuss all things barter, I used to trade all sorts of crap as a kid. Does anyone remember go-gos?
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Andanu Trisatya Squire
posted 12-28-08 07:57 PM
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Bartering is really a common thing here, Los. You know that. We even once traded tons of rice with an airplane, and traded run-down machineries with valuable natural resources. It's awfully common.
"No more gold lights for the queen earth to keep you warm in your kingdoms, high on the waves you make for us, but not since you left have the waves come."
TheLaughingMule Lady Mule
posted 12-28-08 11:29 PM
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We live in a small village and barter quite often.
Los Templiero Squire
posted 12-31-08 02:22 AM
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We even once traded tons of rice with an airplane, and traded run-down machineries with valuable natural resources
The matter is the present times, IK. Frankly, I haven't seen it much, but I sure we do did it sometime on the past. Also, I'm quite sure that politics was 'full' of barters, even without visible objects: for an example, do you realize that there are more political party participating the next election(34) than the last one(24), IK? After a few week wondering, I saw in a newspaper that parties that has at least ONE seat in the parliament can join the following election WITHOUT REREGISTRATION, and this crazy idea was made by minority parties, and the majority parties were agree with expectation that those minorities able to support them. This is wasting the use of (if my memory serve me correctly) 3% parliamentary threshold in our home nation.
Life would be a lot simpler if things worked that way, but I suppose it only has merit in a small village environment.
He he he... I do suppose you were right. As civilizations develop, they has to exchange something to get what they want; barter was the beginning. However, it has some troubles, especially they might won't get what they wanted. Then, money-like objects were developed. Yet, they are hard to carry. And eventually, moneys develop.
The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder. But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is (but) transient magic." They reject (the warning) and follow their (own) lusts but every matter has its appointed time. (Al-Qamar: 1-3)
War is a quarrel between two thieves that too coward to fight each other, uses their money to recruit soldiers, give them arms and uniforms, and letting them killing each other like wild animals. - Carlyle