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Topic Subject:Battle of the AoC clients commences anew!
sly_guy
Squire
posted 09-11-09 11:03 AM CT (US)         
Greetings, kind news-forum-reader! Today, there's some interesting developments in the battle of AoC clients.

First up, IGZ... or should I say Voobly? Here's what IGZ dev tOrMeNtIuM has to say to introduce the new development:

As you may or may not be aware the staff here has been working on a replacement for IGZ for quite some time. I started last summer but took a break earlier this year for personal reasons. Anyways, I've been back at it for some time now during what spare time I do have. Things are looking pretty good so we've decided to open it up to public testing! The working public name for this project had been labeled as IGZv2, the official name is Voobly.


Voobly is a web-based application, the lobby is launched from your browser (after downloading and installing the client). Right now, it's open to anyone to sign up, but later in beta all accounts will be wiped and IGZ accounts and ratings will be moved over, so there's no need to worry about losing your rating (*phew*!). The devs have also promised a new skin for the client.

Please note that it is still in beta, so some errors are to be expected. Please use the feedback thread on the IGZ forums (linked above) to report any bugs.

And now, onto the other major gaming client for AoC: Gameranger.

GR dev Scott Kevill has informed me that GR will now support the restoration of saved multiplayer AoC/AoK games, which is, to my knowledge, soemthing that's not been done in a client before. If one of your opponents drops mid-match, don't worry about having to restart again with a different map - you can now simply continue where you saved!

While this may seem like a minor tweak in comparison to IGZ's beta launch, it's just one more step Gameranger has taken to improve our online gaming experience bit by bit.

That's all for now, folks!

- ک

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[This message has been edited by sly guy (edited 09-11-2009 @ 11:04 AM).]

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Powery
Squire
posted 09-12-09 07:19 AM CT (US)     1 / 26       
I assume Voobly won't be able to self-forward ports like GR does.
Popeychops
"Cool" Huskarl
posted 09-13-09 04:41 PM CT (US)     2 / 26       
Now GR can load saves, Tanks fst and I spent this afternoon trying that out.
It rules very much.
GR > IGZ.

Member of BlackForest Studios
Co-creator of Silent Evil (4.6) Voted Best Multiplayer Scenario of 2009 (Most Fave'd Multiplayer Scenario)
and The Seas of Egressa (4.8) Voted Best Multiplayer Scenario of 2010
"Popey just hates everywhere." - Chocolate Jesus, on my fear of Romanian organ-traffickers
"Hooray for Dear Leader-Comrade-Generalissimo-Presidente-Lord Protector Popey!" - Lord Sipia, on my benevolent, iron-fisted rule
"You're not Popeychops; you don't get to physics." - Moff, in response to a clumsy muon simile
RON PAUL 2016
Squire
(id: Turty)
posted 09-13-09 05:52 PM CT (US)     3 / 26       
IGZ > GR
Fixed.

Glad to hear about Voobly (that sounds so weird ) and the fixes on GR.
Impeached
VIP (Reverie World Studios)
(id: MeGaIdIoT)
posted 09-13-09 09:32 PM CT (US)     4 / 26       
I assume Voobly won't be able to self-forward ports like GR does.
It will, actually. Voobly will release with what IGZ has (improved), then add things like packet tunneling (that's what self-forwarding ports are called) and restoration of saved games maybe. As well as many other things on a long list.

me

[This message has been edited by Impeached (edited 09-13-2009 @ 09:36 PM).]

Scott Kevill
Squire
posted 09-14-09 01:33 AM CT (US)     5 / 26       
and the fixes on GR.
Fixes?
It will, actually. Voobly will release with what IGZ has (improved), then add things like packet tunneling (that's what self-forwarding ports are called) and restoration of saved games maybe.
That's innovation.

When was router support announced and promised for IGZv2/Voobly? November 17, 2008. 4 days after PC GameRanger was released.

Never even considered before then.

Now GameRanger releases saved-game support, and IGZ is quick to promise again, after claiming it was impossible when users requested it before.

A pity they can't think for themselves. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I suppose.

GameRanger - play your friends online
Voobly
Squire
posted 09-14-09 02:54 AM CT (US)     6 / 26       
>Never even considered before then.
False. It's actually had been considered in the past for other games. WAR had it long before GR was released for PC.

>Now GameRanger releases saved-game support, and IGZ is quick to promise again
False. It just isn't what many users have requested and is low priority. I don't think it'll be of much use but we'll see. Most users exit after a game crashes or drops. Will be hard to get everyone back to continue especially if one side was losing.

>Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I suppose.
Hah. Don't kid yourself. The success of your client financially has made some people interested in these games again. Lets see how it plays out.

You'll never have an anti-cheat on caliber with IGZones/Voobly. You've already lost. Lets see if you can hold on to your original games.
Scott Kevill
Squire
posted 09-14-09 03:39 AM CT (US)     7 / 26       
Hiding behind an alias now?
>Never even considered before then.
False. It's actually had been considered in the past for other games. WAR had it long before GR was released for PC.
Nice try, but Warzone pipes all DirectPlay data through their main server, which you should already know. That's why no one uses it except in rare situations (and even then, only with turn-based games where latency doesn't matter as much, such as Axis & Allies).

It's not even close to the same thing.

And I was talking about IGZ, not Warzone, anyway.

The only reason for V2bly at all is because you were threatened by GameRanger. No activity for a year, then big promises just days after GameRanger's release. People aren't that stupid.
>Now GameRanger releases saved-game support, and IGZ is quick to promise again
False. It just isn't what many users have requested and is low priority. I don't think it'll be of much use but we'll see. Most users exit after a game crashes or drops. Will be hard to get everyone back to continue especially if one side was losing.
Then why are you suddenly keen to promise it now?
>Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I suppose.
Hah. Don't kid yourself. The success of your client financially has made some people interested in these games again. Lets see how it plays out.
So you're finally admitting that you're motivated financially rather than for the spirit of the Age community. No surprise.
You'll never have an anti-cheat on caliber with IGZones/Voobly. You've already lost. Lets see if you can hold on to your original games.
That anti-cheat has sure been working pretty well for you. Sarcasm.

How about you come out from behind your screenname?

GameRanger - play your friends online
Voobly
Squire
posted 09-14-09 04:51 AM CT (US)     8 / 26       
>Nice try, but Warzone pipes all DirectPlay data through their main server, which you should already know. That's why no one uses it except in rare situations

I have never looked at WAR zone so I didn't know how well their implementation worked. I had assumed it worked for AoC as well... oh well. Similar idea they just did it poorly.

>Then why are you suddenly keen to promise it now?

*I* haven't promised anything. But that seems like a feature many people want so it's near the top of the list (much more so than something like game restoring).

>That anti-cheat has sure been working pretty well for you. Sarcasm.

Worked well for *many* years. Only past couple of months it started to get bad -- though it's still a big help -- check the ban list.

Current issues are easily fixed It would be a huge disaster w/ out it.

>The only reason for V2bly at all is because you were threatened by GameRanger.

It had nothing to do with GR Voobly was mostly complete before probably everyone involved had even heard of GR.

>So you're finally admitting that you're motivated financially rather than for the spirit of the Age community.

Personally no, but more revenue will let igzones/voobly increase the services we offer (for free; no voobly won't charge for ratings).

What was your motivation again? Oh yeah, you don't have a job.
Dead_End
Cavalier
posted 09-14-09 11:10 AM CT (US)     9 / 26       
*Cheers for flaming battle!*

Aside from that, I found Gameranger to be quite easy for the occasional game of AOK. IGZ or Voobly is just too professional for me. (with the ladder and such)
Popeychops
"Cool" Huskarl
posted 09-14-09 03:25 PM CT (US)     10 / 26       
Voobly was mostly complete before probably everyone involved had even heard of GR.
Created by Scott Kevill and opened to Mac gaming in 1999
While they only started supporting PC in 2008, thats still a long time running.

The reason why people choose GR over IGZ is because people don't want players spamming "GAME 14 CBACBACBA GAME 14" in chat lobbys.
People want games being played be real people, with real skill and a sense of maturity.

Member of BlackForest Studios
Co-creator of Silent Evil (4.6) Voted Best Multiplayer Scenario of 2009 (Most Fave'd Multiplayer Scenario)
and The Seas of Egressa (4.8) Voted Best Multiplayer Scenario of 2010
"Popey just hates everywhere." - Chocolate Jesus, on my fear of Romanian organ-traffickers
"Hooray for Dear Leader-Comrade-Generalissimo-Presidente-Lord Protector Popey!" - Lord Sipia, on my benevolent, iron-fisted rule
"You're not Popeychops; you don't get to physics." - Moff, in response to a clumsy muon simile

[This message has been edited by Popeychops (edited 09-14-2009 @ 03:27 PM).]

Impeached
VIP (Reverie World Studios)
(id: MeGaIdIoT)
posted 09-14-09 03:38 PM CT (US)     11 / 26       
The reason why people choose GR over IGZ is because people don't want players spamming "GAME 14 CBACBACBA GAME 14" in chat lobbys.
People want games being played be real people, with real skill and a sense of maturity.
hey hey, that ain't nice to us poor igz users. I feel sad now.

me

[This message has been edited by Impeached (edited 09-14-2009 @ 03:48 PM).]

Popeychops
"Cool" Huskarl
posted 09-14-09 03:56 PM CT (US)     12 / 26       
Sorry mate, sometimes the truth hurts.

Member of BlackForest Studios
Co-creator of Silent Evil (4.6) Voted Best Multiplayer Scenario of 2009 (Most Fave'd Multiplayer Scenario)
and The Seas of Egressa (4.8) Voted Best Multiplayer Scenario of 2010
"Popey just hates everywhere." - Chocolate Jesus, on my fear of Romanian organ-traffickers
"Hooray for Dear Leader-Comrade-Generalissimo-Presidente-Lord Protector Popey!" - Lord Sipia, on my benevolent, iron-fisted rule
"You're not Popeychops; you don't get to physics." - Moff, in response to a clumsy muon simile
Rambit
Squire
posted 09-14-09 04:47 PM CT (US)     13 / 26       
If the issue is the players, why not play in a different lobby? The voobly features already overwhelm GR and it has a long way to go, seems odd you would play on an inferrior client for that reason alone. Similar has happened with GSA and GP, however those communities were formed as a result of a lot of those players being banned from IGZ.

@Scott
You are somewhat correct about voobly being financially feuled. IGZ has always run at a loss, while voobly will not.

As far as port tunneling being your idea, I don't know. I saw it on the todo list before I personally heard of GR but you may be right about the idea coming from you. However I honestly don't think that matters to anyone other than the two of you, the important thing is more people will be able to play aok where it be on GR or voobly, and thats a benifit no matter what way you look at it.

[This message has been edited by Rambit (edited 09-14-2009 @ 08:44 PM).]

Dead_End
Cavalier
posted 09-15-09 11:11 AM CT (US)     14 / 26       
If the issue is the players, why not play in a different lobby?
Cause they're there too!
Guthan
Squire
posted 09-15-09 11:32 AM CT (US)     15 / 26       
I love gameranger for a few reasons, but dislike it for two of them.

Why I prefer GR above anything else:

It isn't like GameSpy or IGZ: chatrooms being spammed by people to join their game. It's very easy to use as well.
You can now restore games to, that's great!

The downsides are that it's pretty laggy. It's not my connection because it's fine. I tried playing via Hamachi with Tanks and Simon a few times and we didn't have any lag then. When we went back on GR and played a game, there was lag again (nobody else joined).
Another downside is the people playing AoK :TC (but this problem cannot be the cause of GR itself but the people :d)
They only know 2 games: CBA and RM. Whenever I go on GameRanger there are like 30 servers open for CBA -.-

Retired, old and senile.

Thread Destroyer of April 09 - Popeychops
I was jealous of your guitars at first. Now I'm jealous of your awesome room. Jerk. :(
And it's on a friggin towel? so you're WIPING YOURSELF DOWN WITH SEXY WOMEN AFTER SHOWERS?! WHAT KIND OF MONSTER OF AWESOME DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? - Aro
Rambit
Squire
posted 09-15-09 05:02 PM CT (US)     16 / 26       
I also fit into the category of disliking the lack of variety and maturity the CS community now has. If you can come up with a name for a lobby to suit the group which share that opinion I will gladly make it for you on voobly. I know of several people who share the opinion but were fine sharing a lobby with the CBA group, so i'm sure we could get a decent group if people dont mind sitting in there alone when its quiet.

The group is a minority but its a shame it has to be split like it is on top of that.
TheLaughingMule
Lady Mule
posted 09-15-09 10:50 PM CT (US)     17 / 26       
Please forgive me if this has been answered.

Is this new client going to forward the ports for you? I have never been able to play on IGZ as my ISP won't let me have the password to my router to forward ports.

I've found GR to be easy to use and I didn't have to mess with ports.

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Rambit
Squire
posted 09-16-09 04:37 PM CT (US)     18 / 26       
Yes, although it currently does not, it is on the top of the todo list.
RoR_xWiZaRDx
Squire
posted 10-16-09 05:05 PM CT (US)     19 / 26       
I don't mean to offend the GR users, but I've literally just found out about it with me re-visiting MFO after a good 5 years.

The server is awful, the standard of player is very very bad, and no real members of the community play there. No ratings system, no real tournaments and no real way of tracking your friends.

Voobly/IGZ is what MSN Zone was but better, the perfect server, and it has the entire AOC community there, and when I say community, I mean the people who are known in this game, the likes of L_Clan_Chris, _DauT_, L_Clan_Alive, Ruso etc etc. No one who is good players on GR.

I commend who ever made it, its a lovely little program, but unfortunately it is literally years and years behind even what MSN Zone had 10 years ago.

Regarding the "re-joining" a game, GamePark had it, its not new technology and it was not a huge attraction anyway, as regardless the game would remain un-rated.
Dead_End
Cavalier
posted 10-16-09 05:27 PM CT (US)     20 / 26       
No one who is good players on GR.
At GR, no one cares. Taking a game such as AOK serious after so many years is ridiculous. You should realize that. (especially if you made an account just for this post)
RoR_xWiZaRDx
Squire
posted 10-16-09 07:57 PM CT (US)     21 / 26       
I have played this game for a very long time, so I need a higher standard player to play against, i guess GR is for the none competitive kind of player who doesn't seek competition, which is great, I didn't mean to offend, its just stating the facts, if you want hard game (which i do, i need the challenge or the game becomes a huge bore) then you need to play at Voobly.

I think its great there is another AOC Community set aside from the main one.

And I made a new account because I only became aware this site was still alive and going earlier on today, this post just slightly bugged me, attempting to create the pretence there is any real "battle of the clients".
sly_guy
Squire
posted 10-16-09 08:07 PM CT (US)     22 / 26       
if you want hard game (which i do, i need the challenge or the game becomes a huge bore) then you need to play at Voobly.
Untrue. I've had a number of games on GR that were better than any game I've ever had on Voobly/IGZ or even the old Zone. I will say that many of the GR players aren't very good, but there are a number of very good players there.
this post just slightly bugged me, attempting to create the pretence there is any real "battle of the clients".
There's a certain amount of truth to that statement, but each of the clients have their pros and cons, and this was one way of bringing that out (and also to try and drum up discussion).

- ک

Ladies and Gentlemen, wear sunscreen. If I could offer you only one tip for the future, sunscreen would be IT. The long term benefits of sunscreen have been proved by scientists, whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable than my own meandering experience.

This message has been brought to you by procrastination and the letters K and V.

[This message has been edited by sly guy (edited 10-16-2009 @ 08:07 PM).]

TheLaughingMule
Lady Mule
posted 10-16-09 10:39 PM CT (US)     23 / 26       
If I can't get connected, then I can't try the client. I spent several weeks of frustration trying to connect to IGZ. When Voobly can forward my ports for me, then I will give it a try.

I enjoy playing on Game Ranger - probably more than the old zone days (having a faster connection has a lot to do with that too.)

I don't miss all the spam on the old zone.

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reaver11241
Squire
posted 10-23-09 01:13 PM CT (US)     24 / 26       
Problem with VOOBLY is pretty simple and what will in the long run be the downfall is the fact that it is a constant rated room. If you remember the zone there was a DM room with ratings that stayed empty and 3 DM rooms with no ratings that people would fill one, and sometimes 2. The DM room on Voobly never has 100 players in it, and they are always the same players. You have Torn, who has point traded to 2 k names and will not play at all. then you have the 18 k gamers who kick 15k players, and you have 15k players who kick 17k players. By makeing it always rated, everyone worries about points. That all it is a point system where you are constalty judged by your score. It has divided the game. created hostle rooms where you can't make friends simply based on the number by your name. Very hard to fill a room and get a team game. While I speak of the DM room there is desention in the RM room also. I long for the days of the Zone where it was a group of people who played for fun. Now voobly has made it all about points. I challange The designers to put up a No rated DM roomjust to see if the traffic doesn't pick up. As for the Hero worship of torn. Please If they actually earned those 2k names it would be different. But to point trade to 2 k then retire the name. it is a disgrace to even aknowledge them as fair players. They even admit it and tell you to complain to adminastraters who, as friends of theirs, will not do anything. I will play at GR not this voobly, with the point system for prejudgment.
Ilmarinen
Squire
(id: Cilibinarii)
posted 10-25-09 01:52 PM CT (US)     25 / 26       
/rant

I found that voobly-scott battle very amusing. So happy I dont do MP.

Cilibinarii / Ilmarinen
My AOK Maps

In spite of the tennis!
Lowris_Takara
Squire
posted 12-12-09 10:28 PM CT (US)     26 / 26       
Voobly is a great client, but the people and the always rated sucks. Now all you end up with is point hunters and the attitudes of the higher rated players is a disgrace. I would think as the "good" players run off the new traffic they would get a clue. Instead the mods and the people who run Voobly know they are losing traffic to apease a select group of players. Shame. I deleted voobly I will never use that site again
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