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WaterMelon
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posted 01-03-05 07:02 PM CT (US)         
i'm new to the forums, hi

So we know france, britain, and spain are in tha game. I was looking at the pictures released from IGN, and noticed a flag of a country i have never seen. It is seen twice, on top of two buildings. at first i thought france... no, colours go vertically there. Croatia? no, red is at the top of croatia. am i missing something? is this and obvious flag? or did ES slip up?

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EEGamer4ever
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posted 01-04-05 09:56 AM CT (US)     26 / 96       
Prussia was a strong military power throughout the 19th Century, and they were at their highest moment of power in 1871, after they had beaten France, and they united the German states into one empire: The German Empire. Paul von Hindenburg, leader of Prussia, became Germany's leader.

So I guess it'll be Prussia instead of Germany.


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posted 01-04-05 11:44 AM CT (US)     27 / 96       

Quote:

I'm guessing
• English
• Spanish
• French
• Dutch
• Portugeese
• Swedes
• Germans
• Italians

Italy doesn't make sense because it wasn't a unified country until the late nineteenth century - out of this games span.


MW
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posted 01-04-05 05:05 PM CT (US)     28 / 96       
Finally the last piece of evidence. This screenie was straight off the site. Germany has at least (80% chance) Germans are in.


100% German Civ.


Soooo clear that the Germans are in. Russians are in too...due to the Yukon/Alaska colonies. (I see polar bears )

-MW

Cheruscan
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posted 01-04-05 05:56 PM CT (US)     29 / 96       
Excellent detective work uncovering the German Colonial Power.

Now with that said:

England, France, Spain, Dutch, Germany, and Russia are suggested as "in".

Who are the other 2?

My guess is Portugal and Sweden.(based on known sea powers of the era and colonization trends).One Scandanavian civ representing the "Kalmar Union" would cover Sweden/Denmark/Norway.

The curve ball could also be a non historic colonial power with military might thrown in for the "what if" effect.Some one like the Holy Roman Empire(Austria) for example or the Papal States/Venice(Italy).


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[This message has been edited by Cheruscan (edited 01-04-2005 @ 06:00 PM).]

lief ericson
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posted 01-04-05 07:15 PM CT (US)     30 / 96       
So far, the list is looking like:

Britain- confirmed
France- confirmed
Spain- confirmed
Netherlands- flag seen in screenshots
Portugal- should be there
Germany/Prussia - flag seen in screenshots
Russia- if you look here, you see a screen of the Yukon, and units that look like they're wearing Russian fur hats
Italy/Venice/Florence/Naples- The unit here is a Stradiot, an Italian soldier


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Aro
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posted 01-04-05 07:36 PM CT (US)     31 / 96       
OK, I was wrong about the Danes. They did make colonies, but I don't think any were on the American mainland. I was under the impression that they colonized Newfoundland, but it turns out it was the British.

But to add more civs to the table, the Polish and Scottish both unsuccessfully tried to establish a colony. I believe the other civs I named are still correct though.

Final List: (If it's not right, shoot me. )

1. *British
13 colonies on the east coast of NA, upper Canada surrounding the Hudson bay, and some islands (Newfoundland, Jamaica,...)

2. *French
New France in Canada Quebec, the Louisiana territory, some of the West Indies, and they had a colony next to the Dutch in Guiana.

3. *Spanish
They owned all of Mexico, Flordia, and much of SA - they were probably the top colonizers.

4. Portuguese
Had a small colony in upper SA, near Guiana, and they owned much of east Brazil.

5. Dutch
Small region of Guiana in upper SA, the very eastern tip of SA until they lost in sometime in 1654, and they had an area called New Netherland in upper NA (right above New Sweden).

6. Swedish
They owned New Sweden, a small area above Maryland; not very big at all, but it was located in NA, meaning they were probably a threat to the British and Dutch. (Plus, they have the vote of PCG.)

The last two Civs could be...

7. Germans
In the 16th century, they attempted to colonize Venezuela. They had disputes with the Spanish, and were supposedly driven out by Indians in their search for gold. They were also hired mercinaries, called "Hessians", for the British during the revolutionary war. (Plus, the flags in the game seem very exact.)

8. Russians
The Russians were the first people who discovered Alaska in 1732, and their first colony is Alaska was established in 1784. They used their time in the Americas mostly for trade. It looks like there are Screenshots of the Yukon, so the Russians would be found there.

9. Polish
The Duchy of Courland established a very small colony in Tabago (SA) that lasted 1654 to 1659. The Swedes entered their territory (war lasted from 1655 'till 1660) and captured their Duke, who was held captive in 1658 until 1660, and their colonies were taken by the Dutch. Many left the colony in 1660, when their Duke was returned. In May, 1690, they officially abandoned the colony. Previously they had 3 unsuccessful attempts at colonizing America.

10. Scottish
Scotland attempted to establish a colony on the Ithumus of Panama in the late 17th century, and also attempted to establish colonies near the British colonies, all unsuccessful.

11. Italians
No record of them ever establishing a colony that I could find. According to Shrink, it wasn't even a unified country at the time of the colonials.

* Confirmed civ

As for the peeps who wanted Asian civs, I don't think they'd be possible. No civ in Asia other than Russia colonized America, since Japan was under the Tokugawa policy of isolation until 1850 and China was ruled under the Manchu dynasty, who I'm sure were having enough problems handling their own people during their time.


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Gamer man
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posted 01-04-05 07:50 PM CT (US)     32 / 96       

Quote:

Norway also sendt loads of people!
Sweden suck...

Did you hear about the new zoo in sweden... They built a giant fence around Norway


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erikthered
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posted 01-04-05 07:58 PM CT (US)     33 / 96       
swedish did more than you know!
WaterMelon
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posted 01-04-05 09:28 PM CT (US)     34 / 96       
Aro, I thought you'd put Germany in one of the higher positions. I mean, they are the only civ past the "big three" with evidence of being in the game.

As for Russia, it's a flip of a coin, or so to say. Polar bears aren't too common in Alaska, more of a northern Canada thing. Russia also didn't have a lot to do in North America. However, they may want to bring Russia in this game to introduce them (or so to say) to AOE4. It is supposed to involve WW's, right? It would be an odd thing to do, but oyu never know. I don't know, i'm not to educated in history, but that's my two cents.

I have a question, however, will this game mostly revolve around early US(southern North America)? Or will there be action in the Canada area(Northern North America)? Because if it doesn't have anything to do with North NA, then Russia probably would not be in, right?

EDIT: I know there are pics of snowy land,(obviously as i mentioned them in this post) but that might just be like a ghost lake-type random map. i was just wondering if a lot of the game is going to take place in the Canada area.

[This message has been edited by WaterMelon (edited 01-04-2005 @ 10:06 PM).]

lief ericson
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posted 01-04-05 09:53 PM CT (US)     35 / 96       
PC Gamer said North and South America.

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ruskall
Squire
posted 01-04-05 11:07 PM CT (US)     36 / 96       
how bout we give some credit to watermelon eh? without him even noticing the flag none of us would have any idea the germans were in the game.. so i say we give a thx to him.. specially u Ancient War... u seem to be taking credit for finding the germans.. when in fact without watermelon noticing the flag or me finding out that it was a german flag u would have never found the 100% one.... but good research in finding the abslute proof.. i jsut dont like when other ppl take other ppls credit.. ciao
Lord_Cyrus
Squire
posted 01-05-05 01:38 AM CT (US)     37 / 96       
I just noticed something... One of those units in the Yukon pic is different than the rest and has a star under it. Maybe its some kind of hero/commander unit?

Lord Cyrus

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Turel
Squire
posted 01-05-05 12:21 PM CT (US)     38 / 96       
I saw a post of someone saying that Belgium might be a possibility. I don't think so, being a Dutchman myself, I learned that Belgium actually was a part of Holland (In that time, the Netherlands or the Low Countries) It was only untill the 18th centurie that Belgium seperated themselves, and by that time the Dutch already had their collonies in the New World.
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posted 01-05-05 12:28 PM CT (US)     39 / 96       
The unit with the star beneath him is probably a campaign hero, as that screenshot certainly looks like it is a scenario. The star under tehir feet could possibly replace the glow attached the AOM heroes' torsos.

Russia is probably in the game, as that area on the screenshot is definately Yukon.


Aro
AoKH Dictator
posted 01-05-05 04:39 PM CT (US)     40 / 96       

Quote:

Aro, I thought you'd put Germany in one of the higher positions. I mean, they are the only civ past the "big three" with evidence of being in the game.
As for Russia, it's a flip of a coin, or so to say. Polar bears aren't too common in Alaska, more of a northern Canada thing. Russia also didn't have a lot to do in North America. However, they may want to bring Russia in this game to introduce them (or so to say) to AOE4. It is supposed to involve WW's, right? It would be an odd thing to do, but oyu never know. I don't know, i'm not to educated in history, but that's my two cents.


Yukon = outside of Alaska = Russia. They will be in the game.

Germany and Russia are both in high positions (I listed them in the order of likelyness), but Germany, from my research, still appears out of place. Maybe ES has some details I overlooked.


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Emperor Archie
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posted 01-05-05 04:41 PM CT (US)     41 / 96       
I'm not sure if anyone knows this but:

The First President in U.S.A was swedish, and his name was John Hanson. Amused? That's not a lie, and I'm from Finland, and we finnish hate swedish, so this is true. Believe in me.

So, I bet that swedish are in...

Gamer man
Squire
posted 01-05-05 05:16 PM CT (US)     42 / 96       
the first president with any power was George Washington

The ya hanson led post articals of confederation, but at that time, the power of the post was non-excistant.


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ScottishFinn
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posted 01-05-05 06:03 PM CT (US)     43 / 96       

Quote:

I just noticed something... One of those units in the Yukon pic is different than the rest and has a star under it. Maybe its some kind of hero/commander unit?

When I saw it, I thought it was actually a selected unit, but now that I think of it that way, it probably is some sort of hero/commander.

I'm not new to the forums, but this is the first time I've posted here at AoKH


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Sk8er
Squire
posted 01-05-05 06:43 PM CT (US)     44 / 96       
i've seen a lot of screenshots with native americans. has anyone thought that maybe one of the civilzations might not be a european civ and actually be a native american civ???
ScottishFinn
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posted 01-05-05 07:36 PM CT (US)     45 / 96       
The Native Americans aren't really a civ, just a group of people who you can trade with.

ScottishFinn

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Gamer man
Squire
posted 01-05-05 09:08 PM CT (US)     46 / 96       
they said in the interview 8 european power. So its pretty certain they are all europe nations (russia for this purpose counts as a european nation

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johnilcs
Squire
posted 01-05-05 09:20 PM CT (US)     47 / 96       
nice work on the flag, by the way. i say germany is definitely in. we should consider them all but confirmed. i assumed ensemble would give us hints in the screens.

also are the indian tribes going to be different. for instance the iroquois would be stronger millitarily and so on. i hope each one is unique and has unique advantages that way it will almost be like there are 20 civs.

Emperor Archie
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posted 01-06-05 10:19 AM CT (US)     48 / 96       
Hey, I have the information. John Hanson was the first president, but because he was swedish, you stupid americans can't allow it. He has the power, and George Washington was the second president of U.S.A.

[This message has been edited by Emperor Archie (edited 01-06-2005 @ 10:20 AM).]

Compa_Mighty
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posted 01-06-05 10:54 AM CT (US)     49 / 96       
From our discussions @ AoM Heaven, our conclussions so far are:

-Confirmed:

  • France
  • Britain (which includes Scotland)
  • Spain

-Almost confirmed:

  • Germany (so many flags in several screenshots.)
  • The Netherlands. Well, pure logic and a difuse magnification of a screen with an image of a Dutch flag in it.
  • Portugal. Logic and Art where there's a colonial Portuguese flag.
  • Russia. Alaska was a huge colony, and ES mentioned North or South America. It fits. Besides there are screens with Polar Bears. That must be way into the North. Are these Cossacks?

-Eighth undecided, but I'd go with Denmark considering Greenland.


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Barberousse
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posted 01-06-05 11:09 AM CT (US)     50 / 96       
How do you guys know it's the Yukon shore on that picture with the boat and polar bears? It could very well be somewhere in the Hudson Bay. A lot of French and English explorers ended up there, and besides, there's no trees and almost no Indian tribes in the Yukon shore. But there's loads of Inuit all along the Hudson Bay.

These soldiers look more like Germans to me, Compa_Mighty.

Portugal and Germany seem pretty much confirmed now with those flags. As for that picture with a Dutch flag in it, are you sure it's not the German one too?

For the other 2 civs, I'm guessing the Swedes and still the Russians, because ES said they would disregard history a bit to make the game more fun.

BTW, Emperor Archie, I think you're talking about the United States during the time of the Confederation, or something like that, before the Constitution of 1787. The presidents from that time can't really be compared to G. Washington and the rest, as they didn't have that much power and the system was completely different.

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