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WaterMelon
Squire
posted 01-03-05 07:02 PM CT (US)         
i'm new to the forums, hi

So we know france, britain, and spain are in tha game. I was looking at the pictures released from IGN, and noticed a flag of a country i have never seen. It is seen twice, on top of two buildings. at first i thought france... no, colours go vertically there. Croatia? no, red is at the top of croatia. am i missing something? is this and obvious flag? or did ES slip up?

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Emperor Archie
Squire
posted 01-06-05 11:46 AM CT (US)     51 / 96       
I can't disagree, when you are from Canada.

[This message has been edited by Emperor Archie (edited 01-06-2005 @ 11:48 AM).]

Shrink
on the trender train
posted 01-06-05 11:51 AM CT (US)     52 / 96       
The picture I posted is definately Yukon, because Ensemble Studios supplied AOMH with the captions/titles for them.

Compa_Mighty
Squire
posted 01-06-05 12:17 PM CT (US)     53 / 96       
I thought it was German too, but later aom dude pointed out that the German flag is black at the top and red at the bottom:

The screenshot I posted is red at the top, which fits with the Netherlands.


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Barberousse
Squire
posted 01-06-05 02:36 PM CT (US)     54 / 96       
If it's ES that supplied these captions themselves then it's official, it's just that the captions aren't on the official site, so I'm wondering.

Compa_Mighty, I was referring to that picture with what you thought were the Cossacks. That flag could indeed be that of the Dutch, except it seems to be black instead of blue, with a symbol in the middle.

I just remembered this picture:

http://files.heavengames.com/aom/albums/aoe3_concept_art/aai.sized.jpg

That wasn't very sutbil from ES. I think we can safely assume now that the JAPANESE are in!

Ikki
Squire
posted 01-07-05 09:10 PM CT (US)     55 / 96       
Apart from a few tiny islands, neither denmark nor sweden were very much present.

So screw those. They came only after usa was formed, not before. Same with italians. Germany did no real colonisation until real late.. and then it was mostly pacific islands, that were later taken by japan post ww1. Oh, and some africa too,


As for the new world great colonisers, ranked, by me
*Spain, no question about it. Nr 1
*Uk, a good second

*France, plenty of good colonies.
*Portugal, brazil. Even if it was mnostly the coasts, but still.
*Russia, alaska & a minor presence in california
*Netherlands, not very much, some nortern south africa and a few lesser antillies islands. Much comparable to russia here.

Which leaves 2 more.
Sweden & Denamrk are good

Germany, well, maybe for german sales, but history doesent exactly support them to be in.

Italy or Austria, please.. they did nothing in america. Sure , many of the most prominent americans came from there, but those are individuals emigrationg, not because of state policy of colonising.

For sheer fun, id include Vikings. And im sure danish, norwegians & swedes will all be equally sure that THEM, and equally sure that the other nations are just riding on their exploits. That would therefor be a good substitute for actual swedish & danish colonies.

[This message has been edited by Ikki (edited 01-07-2005 @ 09:12 PM).]

MW
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(id: Medieval Warfare)
posted 01-07-05 09:40 PM CT (US)     56 / 96       
HEY!
THAT AOM DUDE WAS ME!!!!

AND IM MW! AND IM AOK!

-MW

Imperialles
Squire
posted 01-08-05 05:20 AM CT (US)     57 / 96       
The Scandinavian countries weren't colonial powers, they were immigrants. So no, neither Denmark, Sweden or Norway will be in the game.

I suspect an Indian (Native American) civilization or two.

Proof: http://media.pc.gamespy.com/media/721/721644/img_2529323.html

http://media.pc.gamespy.com/media/721/721644/img_2529324.html

I doubt ES has added all these units and buildings for laughs and giggles.

Ikki
Squire
posted 01-08-05 08:43 AM CT (US)     58 / 96       
ofcourse there will be indians.
question just is, are they among the 8?

In which case I highly doubt there will be more than the 3 euros, 4 indians and usa.

EDIT, 8 playable, only eurocrowd playable.
Which means 8 euro civs and a uncounted number of savages.

[This message has been edited by Ikki (edited 01-08-2005 @ 08:59 AM).]

Barberousse
Squire
posted 01-08-05 10:34 AM CT (US)     59 / 96       
Ikki, we pretty much confirmed that the Germans are in the game. Read the first pages. As for the Indian tribes, there will be 12 of them.

Imperialles, the Danes and Swedes did make colonies. Denmark had Greenland, and Sweden had New Stockholm around what is now Manhattan, though it didn't last for long.

Cheruscan
Squire
posted 01-08-05 11:57 AM CT (US)     60 / 96       
Now that is very interesting....12 Native Tribes!

8 European powers and 12 Indians....

The Conquerors supported 14.

My theory:Europeans
England
France
Spain
Portugal
Netherlands
Germany
Sweden
Russia


Native Americans:
Aztec (Mexico)
Mayans (Yukatan)
Inca( S.A.)
Carribs(Islands)
Apache (S.W. Plains)
Iroquois( Great Lakes)
Souix (N.Plains)
Aleuts (Alaska/NW/Pacific)
Cheorokee(Southern US)
Algonquin(Canada)
Tupi (Brazil)
Mohawks (New England)


"The Greatest pleasure is to vanquish your enemies and chase them before you,to rob them of their wealth and see those dear to them bathed in tears,to ride their horses and clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters"...Ghengis Khan



[This message has been edited by Cheruscan (edited 01-08-2005 @ 12:00 PM).]

Ikki
Squire
posted 01-08-05 12:49 PM CT (US)     61 / 96       
actually, greenland is out of scope.
but they did colonise the virgin islands (or atlest some of those), but eventually sold them.

not very much anyhow.
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insted of calling them caribs, why not arawak?

Imperialles
Squire
posted 01-08-05 01:27 PM CT (US)     62 / 96       
Greenland was a Norwegian colony already in the 1300s, but was stolen by Denmark after the Denmark-Norway Union was dissolved in 1814.
Barberousse
Squire
posted 01-09-05 11:24 AM CT (US)     63 / 96       
Cheruscan, there are 4 Indian tribes already confirmed: Aztecs, Incas, Iroquois and Comanches. The Mohawks are part of the Iroquois BTW. And I'm pretty sure the Arawaks, the first Indians who met Columbus, to be enslaved and exterminated, will be in there. And we can't forget the Inuit!
Compa_Mighty
Squire
posted 01-09-05 06:30 PM CT (US)     64 / 96       
Why would Greenland be out of scope? It's still America.

I agree with Barberousse, the Inuit should be in too. I imagine they could give the European nation a technology concerning warm clothes that gives soldiers extra hit points (representing that they live longer in the cold if they are warm.)

The Maya will probably also be in.


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Peter Jackson and Guillermo del Toro to do The Hobbit!
Chichén Itzá is one of the New 7 Wonders of the World!
erikthered
Squire
posted 01-09-05 06:56 PM CT (US)     65 / 96       
swedes dude they rule vikings!
stoneops
Squire
posted 01-10-05 07:23 AM CT (US)     66 / 96       
Greenland isn't part of America.
FearTheBlackout
Squire
posted 01-10-05 08:29 AM CT (US)     67 / 96       

Quote:

The Maya will probably also be in.

I don't think the Maya will be in, per se, seeing as they were assimilated by the Toltecs around the year 1200, Perhaps it will be the Toltecs themselves, then?

Compa_Mighty
Squire
posted 01-10-05 02:34 PM CT (US)     68 / 96       
No.. not assimilated. The maya as a people are still alive today, they were in what we call their post-classic period. In fact they were submited some time later than the Aztecs.

Co-Author of the Aztec Civilization Outline for AoM.
Peter Jackson and Guillermo del Toro to do The Hobbit!
Chichén Itzá is one of the New 7 Wonders of the World!
MW
Squire
(id: Medieval Warfare)
posted 01-10-05 05:19 PM CT (US)     69 / 96       
@Compa

I'm sorry to say that Blizzard cancelled the production of Starcraft II. It was a first person shooter too..Gayness.

-MW

King Yngvar
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posted 01-10-05 06:52 PM CT (US)     70 / 96       

Quote:

In about 1700, the civs that were big were the English, French, Dutch, Portuguese, Spanish, Swedish, and Danish. (And for an eighth civ, the US could be added.)

Personally I think there is no point in making different Scandinavian civs. Why not just make one - Scandinavians.

So there was only 8 civs to be included? I would suggest:

English, French, Austrians, Spanish, Scandinavians, Russians, Prussians and Ottomans


Quote:

Ikki, we pretty much confirmed that the Germans are in the game. Read the first pages. As for the Indian tribes, there will be 12 of them.

And what would be the point of having 12 Indian tribes?

It would be enough with "Northern Indians" and "Aztects", put some more focus on the European factions, those that will be fun to play with.

[This message has been edited by King Yngvar (edited 01-10-2005 @ 06:54 PM).]

Guzzardo32
Squire
posted 01-10-05 08:38 PM CT (US)     71 / 96       

Quote:

Greenland isn't part of America.


Yes it is! It's part of the geography of America AFAIK, even if it's an European colony.
Barberousse
Squire
posted 01-11-05 08:45 PM CT (US)     72 / 96       
What's the point of having 12 Indian tribes? Well why not? How would you make "Northern Indians"? The difference between the Inuit and the Iroquois or between the Comanches and the Pueblos is just as big as the one between all of them "Northern Indians" and the Aztecs. The British never allied with the Algonquins. The Portuguese never even met the Aztecs and the Mayas. So we'll need enough tribes to cover the whole continent. And I'm pretty sure that choosing which to tribe to ally yourself with will be part of the strategy. If you ally with the Algonquins, it should make you automatically enemy with the Iroquois, for example. You'd have to choose which caracteristics of the 2 you like best.

Here are my predictions for the civs and tribes:

Civs: French, English and Spanish of course.
Almost confirmed: German and Portuguese
Pretty sure: Japanese, Russian, Dutch

Tribes: Aztec, Inca, Iroquois, Comanche (All 4 confirmed)
8 others: Inuit, Maya, Algonquin, Apache, Arawak, Pueblos, Sioux, Tupi.

King Yngvar
Squire
posted 01-11-05 10:40 PM CT (US)     73 / 96       
Why not 12 Indian tribes? Because we need more nations represented from Europe.

Quote:

Civs: French, English and Spanish of course.
Almost confirmed: German and Portuguese
Pretty sure: Japanese, Russian, Dutch

I would rather prefer more Europeans (+ a coupe of Asians):

English, Gaels (represent Scots and Irish), French, Scandinavians, Spanish, Prussians, Austrians, Russians, Dutch, Portuguese, Ottomans, Persians, Africans (black ones), Japanese and Chinese.

Austrians and Prussians could be made into just Germans, but I think it would be better having them as two different nations.

Let's say 20 was the max number of nations.

10 from Europe, 4 from Asia and 1 from Africa + 5 from America. That would be sufficient.

American nations could be:

Aztecs, Inca, Commanche, Iroquis and Americans(for the revolutionary age, if that is included)

Gotovina_Heroj
Squire
posted 01-12-05 09:44 AM CT (US)     74 / 96       
Placing Americans to the game would be historicly inaccurate. If the game reprisents period from 1492 till middle of 19th century, it would mean that capacity is used for "civ" that takes only last age or maybe 20% of total history presented in the game. Pretty unfair to Poland and Austria (Germans, Hungarians, Croats, Czecs, and many more were part of empire) who were the main opponents to Ottomans. Game will then remind me to American conquest which didn't inculde Portugal and Nederlands till exp. pack. For the sake of good profit in NA, USA was included in the original. If you played that game you know that british units present american until 18th century fusilieres and dragoons are reserched.
Austria, Dutch and Portugal should have their place in aoe3. Maybe some natives from Africa, India, Indonesia...
Oman was colonial country too.
Emperor Archie
Squire
posted 01-12-05 01:03 PM CT (US)     75 / 96       
I think that native civs won't be in. They haven't got home cities (expct mayans, incas and aztecs) but they were all destroyed in 1600... And the game continues to 1800.

IMPORTANT: Almost every indian had joined US or dead in the beginning of 1800. And can someone tell me a single tribe with "Industrial Age"?

To King Yngvar, Scandinavia is the big penisula, (shared by Finland, Sweded and Norway) and we (i'm finnish) were called scandinavians in dark ages and vikings in the middle age. Norway was not part of Sweden in the colonial times, so civilization called "Scandinavia" Shall Not Be In AGEOFEMPIRES 3. It would be a major insult.

[This message has been edited by Emperor Archie (edited 01-12-2005 @ 01:09 PM).]

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