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Gamer man
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posted 01-03-05 09:34 PM CT (US)         
for history peoples, you may know the 2 major colinization periods were the new world, and 1890's. Now i wonder, since the tactics in 1890's closely resembled that of the new world conquest, and the theme follows real closely, will we be getting any africa colinzation or east indies colinization, and if not in AOE III, than in the x-pack possibly, just a thought.

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Mokon
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posted 01-03-05 09:58 PM CT (US)     1 / 32       
hehe, xpack alrdy

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  • ajaxthegreater
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    posted 01-03-05 10:08 PM CT (US)     2 / 32       
    If it is Age of Discovery, (Deathshrimp denied it, but hey, who knows?), then the X-pack could include Africa. Or South America. Or even Europe, maybe?

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    erikthered
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    posted 01-03-05 10:28 PM CT (US)     3 / 32       
    the x pack probally will be the civil war maybe?

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    WhoAskedU
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    posted 01-03-05 11:46 PM CT (US)     4 / 32       
    The are leaving ALL of asia out of it. And there were a ton of colonies over in East Asia, so expect an expact including Asia and probably Australia.

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    Gamer man
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    posted 01-04-05 00:36 AM CT (US)     5 / 32       
    hey i said "east indies" that is the main part of asia to get hit by colinization. Also we identified a flag as prussian (german) and they colinized africa, not america, so a good chance of seeing an africa... maybe.


    Also the US civil war wasn't a major international event, thus not a good canidate for an x-pack (though it would still make a good mission)


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    Tevious
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    posted 01-04-05 01:23 PM CT (US)     6 / 32       
    I'd personally like to see the Civil War kick off AoE IV.

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    Messiah
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    posted 01-04-05 04:08 PM CT (US)     7 / 32       
    The Civil War is a tricky bit of history really. There is no denying that it was a major period in American history, but truthfully, as someone already mentioned, the rest of the world didn't much care.

    The whole thing about this time period that AOEIII will be set in is that there was so much going on, all over the world. From North America to Europe to Africa to Asia. This was the era of the true first world wars.

    Frankly I'm more excited about seeing Ensemble tackle scenarios such as the whole saga of Napoleon, the Seven Years War the American Revolution. Heh, and even as I write this I think of a dozen other events that I would love to see make it in the game, but the odds are slim really.

    -The War of 1812
    -The French-Indian War (namely the Battle of the Plains of Abraham)
    -The American/Mexican War (The Alamo etc. though this really wouldn't make for much of campaign -- it was a complete route of the Mexicans)

    And the list goes on.

    Cheruscan
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    posted 01-04-05 05:43 PM CT (US)     8 / 32       
    Anything from 1500-1860 opens up a whole lot of warefare outside of the Americas.The Big ones include 30 Years War and the Napoleonic Era.The major players in those campaigns may well be inserted into the game for the overflow effect into the Americas.

    However Wars of Independence and Revolution in North, Central and South America seem more possible.

    As for expansion packs, the door is open for the whole thought of Imperialism that swept Europe as Africa and Asia were being colonialized from 1870-1900.

    Somehow I get the feeling that Native Amerians will enter the picture, if not out right than via MOD packs.


    So with all that said, it looks like:
    Britian, France, Spain, Germany, Netherlands, Russia and 2 others are in.

    Who are the two others?...........my guess is Sweden and Portugal.

    The only other "European" to set up colonies "in the Americas" was Denmark.

    Perhaps Sweden/Norway/Denmark will be represented as one called The Kalmar Union.

    If that is so, Portugal is historic in South America.....but maybe Spain and Portugal are also one position.

    That makes room for the other naval power of the 1500-1600's Venice.(or Italian States)


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    Messiah
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    posted 01-04-05 06:44 PM CT (US)     9 / 32       
    Though Portugal would be a nice addition to the lineup of Civilizations, somehow I doubt that they'll make it in. Perhaps in the Expansion pack, but I really am having a hard time picturing it. Not to say that Portugal wasn't a big player in this period, but I think their impact wasn't broad enough to be included in the game.

    Though the game is focused on the new world, I suppose ES could include one or two of the Asian civilizations. Japan comes to mind for me.

    It's a lot of speculation at this point, and I think the Civilizations that are included should be included for good reason. I'd rather have 6 or so clearly defined Civilizations, and just skip the others one if they won't have much of purpose in the game. It would seem like overkill.

    Gamer man
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    posted 01-04-05 07:33 PM CT (US)     10 / 32       
    didn't they say 8 european powers, also portugal did play a decent part in the americas, if you would skip them, you would then pretty much be stuck with the big 3 (UK, France, Spain) since portugal played the 4th largest role IMO (the others have very limited number of american colonies) possibly 5th after the dutch/netherlands

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    DarckRedd
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    posted 01-04-05 09:34 PM CT (US)     11 / 32       

    Quote:

    -The War of 1812

    I'd like to see this one, perhaps as a Battle of the Conquerors style mission. After all, the War of 1812 wasn't very long, by comparison to other wars fought on U.S. soil. It could start with the player under attack from the South, losing armies in Canada, and being bombarded by ships. The player has to make a stand, fighting superior British Red Coats and a superior British navy.

    The objective would be to stall and destroy the British offensive, by defeating their fleet at Baltimore, destroying enemy camps in the south, and destroying the British-Canadian Parliament building to the north.


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    Trej
    Squire
    posted 01-04-05 09:53 PM CT (US)     12 / 32       
    I gues in the IGN interview DeathShrimp mentioned that the campaign of the Black Family would feature battles all across America (the continent) so I guess that most independence wars (BOlνvar, Washington, etc) will be dealt with in AoEIII for the X-Pack I'd rather see ES moving up through history to the the 1850(71)-1914 period and deal with the colonization of Africa and Asia (Marocco war, splitting up of China)
    Messiah
    Squire
    posted 01-04-05 11:10 PM CT (US)     13 / 32       
    "The objective would be to stall and destroy the British offensive, by defeating their fleet at Baltimore, destroying enemy camps in the south, and destroying the British-Canadian Parliament building to the north."

    Or you know, for us Canadians, burning the White House down as the Red Coats.

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    Emperor Archie
    Squire
    posted 01-06-05 11:23 AM CT (US)     14 / 32       
    I'm sure that if portugalians won't appear in the AoeIII, they won't appear in AoeIII xpack. Because they ruled the seas near 1200-1400, and they colonized north america only a little. And this game is only about north america, so I bet that portugalians won't come in.
    Compa_Mighty
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    posted 01-06-05 12:28 PM CT (US)     15 / 32       
    I think the expansion will focus on colonization of Africa, Asia and Australia. South America is already in.

    About the Civil War, well, as someone pointed out, it was not a major international event.

    I think we just have to read correctly and be reasonable. Under the concept ES has put on its game, and if they execute it correctly, as they always have, the USA have no reason to be in the game, much less talking about something as local as the Civil War. If they follow the lead, the x-pack will involve colonization of other places, rest assured.

    Africa involves endless possibilities for new kinds of maps, Native tribes, and of course, the inclussion of Italy and Belgium, provided Germany is already in.


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    posted 01-06-05 02:26 PM CT (US)     16 / 32       
    Now that the US is the only "superpower" and colonization is back in vogue (Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine) I guess we shouldn't be surprised that the new game has only European civs, which is certainly a step backwards from AOC:TC.

    Too bad they didn't choose to have representatives of both sides of the colonization coin, e.g., 'third world' nations resisting...that would have been much more interesting and historically relevant too, since a number of those nations now play a MUCH larger role in world affairs than their former rulers!

    Barberousse
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    posted 01-06-05 02:58 PM CT (US)     17 / 32       
    Emperor Archie, the game is about both North and South America, and the Portuguese are defeinately in it, look here: http://aom.heavengames.com/gallery/aoe3_concept_art/aad

    That can only be an old Portuguese flag. The symbol is the same as Portugal's modern flag: http://www.flags.com/Portugal/c8759_210_3587/index.html.

    They'll HAVE to make an x-pack with the colonization of Africa, Asia and Australia. They'll be able include tons more civilizations like the Italians, the Ottomans and even the good ole Persians. Even the Americans could be in there, since they had spheres of influence in the Philippines, Cuba and Panama, among others. The Civil War, though it wasn't important for the rest of the world, could be in it as a campaign because it offers a lot of potential and would be fun.

    Caewil
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    posted 01-07-05 02:15 AM CT (US)     18 / 32       
    They probably wouldn't put much in the campaign.

    Just think how Happy BJ and Ingo would be to make the rest of it...

    WhoAskedU
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    posted 01-07-05 07:25 AM CT (US)     19 / 32       

    Quote:

    Now that the US is the only "superpower" and colonization is back in vogue (Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine)

    Not that it matters, the U.S. has not "colonized" Iraq or Afghanistan...Afghanistan has already had an independent election and Iraq is about to have one, too.


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    posted 01-07-05 09:57 AM CT (US)     20 / 32       

    Quoted from WhoAskedU:

    Afghanistan has already had an independent election and Iraq is about to have one, too.


    It is not reasonable to expect people to think that those are independent elections when you consider that:
    1. The US invaded those nations, overthrew their governments and unilaterally imposed US-controlled "governments."
    2. Both Hamed Karzai and Iyad Allawi have been on the CIA payroll for many years.
    3. Karzai was an advisor to Unocal, which had tried to cut a deal with the Taliban to build an oil pipeline running through Afghanistan from the Caspian Sea to the Indian Ocean. When the deal fell through the US started planning to invade Afghanistan -- that was before 911.
    4. There were no WMDs in Iraq and the US government knew it--in every way since the invasion and occupation the behavior of the US in Iraq shows that the reason for being there also is the OIL. The contracts for Halliburton and Bechtel were signed 5 months before the invasion.
    5. Thats what colonizers do -- they don't then turn around and allow free elections to the people they just conquered -- show me a historical example of that...you won't find one because it doesn't make sense.
    6. Consider Viet Nam -- elections were scheduled for 1956 but when the CIA advised the White House that the Communists would win the elections the US stopped the elections from happening and changed the UN-approved temporary partition of that nation into a border between two 'nations'.
    WhoAskedU
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    posted 01-07-05 02:01 PM CT (US)     21 / 32       
    But they are not colonies of America, it's not the American Flag that flies over Baghdad (spelling?), it's the original Iraqi Flag.

    Quote:

    There were no WMDs

    WMDs doesn't just mean nuclear or chemical or biological...They launched missiles that are considered WMDs at us during the assault on Baghdad. (spelling?)

    Anyways, it doesn't matter and were getting off topic: We are talking about the 2000s...this game doesn't even get to the 1850s...

    probably a democrat...


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    Aro
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    posted 01-07-05 04:29 PM CT (US)     22 / 32       

    Quote:

    Anyways, it doesn't matter and were getting off topic: We are talking about the 2000s...this game doesn't even get to the 1850s...


    I was happy when you said that, but...

    Quote:

    probably a democrat...


    That type of comment can carry on an OT discussion.

    Get back on topic everybody.


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    WhoAskedU
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    posted 01-07-05 05:45 PM CT (US)     23 / 32       
    Sorry, I had to say it, seeing he is from Massachusetts.

    Anyways, I would expect the expansion pack to include Asian, Australian, and African Colonization it could be called:

    Age of Empires III: The 3 A's (Asia, Australia, and Africa)


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    Ikki
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    posted 01-07-05 08:48 PM CT (US)     24 / 32       
    No WMD?

    lol

    Try telling that to the survivors of the black plaque in the 13th century... or to the indians, and the poxinfeced blankets they got from americans.

    Or the habit of lobbing rotting cows with catapults into cities.

    But thats rambling, sorry

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    Im glad to hear its 8 euro civs, and not 4 and 4 natives!
    This way I can create my very own novo-novo-sibirski empire, as russia.

    Or atleast if russia is in. Certainly fitting into the crowd of 6 most important colonisers in america?

    As for asia, well, we can hope. But thats atleast a year onward, if its a expansion disc. But i wonder how the chinaman goverment will handle that.. i know they didnt like how paradox splt china in the hearts of iron II "china is eternal and undivividable, ever". So there really can be no china in, atleast if you dont want to be banned there.

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    Barberousse
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    posted 01-09-05 11:32 AM CT (US)     25 / 32       

    Quote:

    They launched missiles that are considered WMDs at us during the assault on Baghdad.

    They launched missiles alright, but where was the mass destruction?

    Anyway, it would be shame if they didn't anything about China in a Africa/Asia expansion. The Opium Wars would make a good campaign, as well as the crushing of the Boxers Revolution. Those were shameful deeds for the colonial powers, but, that's what colonising was all about! I reallu hope this game will tell us about the real history of the colonies.

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