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Hailstorm65
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posted 09-11-08 06:03 PM CT (US)         
Yes it is the 11th of September and no terrorist attack has happened. I am just wondering what you guys think of this and were any of you expecting anything today?

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Eaglehaslanded
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posted 09-13-08 05:27 PM CT (US)     26 / 66       
I didn't mean to say: we suffered more so we're better than you. But modern American history is divided into 'before 9/11' and 'after 9/11'. I suppose you Americans never managed to piss anyone off majorly enough to get that kind of terrorism before.
what we used to respect about you guys aside from being tough as nails, was that you guys were demure and sophisticated. I guess the culture of the Internet and globalization has made monkeys out of us all though?
ouch
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AnastasiaKafka
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posted 09-13-08 07:11 PM CT (US)     27 / 66       
But modern American history is divided into 'before 9/11' and 'after 9/11'.
I'm not sure if I agree with such a broad statement, but I'll grant you that there are many areas of our lives where the significance of the 'before and after 9/11' would be relevant and therefore unavoidable (natural).
I didn't mean to say: we suffered more so we're better than you.
I understand, and perhaps I should apologize for that is how it came across. I imagine there might have been similar things that you guys admired about us that we have seemingly lost in recent years and in this post 9/11 world, or Internet culture that we indicated respectfully?

Still, I often wonder why not a Bloody Sunday post, or other such topic then? Why the set up? Why are we called to "get over" a subject that we didn't bring up? Anyway, I take no issue with anyone pointing out why they don't care that much about 9/11 or not seeing it as that significant. Like I said, the annoying part is that you guys seem to invariably offer the information either as a lecture, or as if we questioned it. I mean if you want to discuss those things just let the Canadians know about it, so they can start a proper topic.

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Hailstorm65
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posted 09-13-08 08:04 PM CT (US)     28 / 66       
My intent of this topic was no such thing as "America can stand proud with our against Global Terrorism, Uncle Sam is proud of you all" or any such rabble. The topic may not have not expressed it right but I made this as well as just a rememberance of a Well known terrorist attack and it means more to me because they America is my neighbor to the South. What happens in America is known in Canada so I do care for it.

I was quite young that day and I remember watching a scene of the local news there was this camera in the Sky from what I assume was a Helo which clearly showed many other Helos in the air and a giant tar black hole in one of the towers.

I know that those of you in Europe have heard the sounds of artillery many times over the past couple of years and I respect you rock hard people for it. But this issue is more close to home for me and of Coarse it is a memory I will never forget.

And Yes Ana they should!

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Ornlu
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posted 09-13-08 08:57 PM CT (US)     29 / 66       
It fascinates me to see how this thread is causing so much debate. Many people were affected by the 11th of September terrorist attacks, and it is only natural for them to bring it up. It might be mentioned more often than other possibly more recent events, but that is because a majority of the posters are American. Thus the chance of people having the tragedy on their mind is high.

If you don't think it is no longer an important topic of discussion, I ask you all to be consistent enough to respond in a similar manner the next time someone creates a topic about his girlfriend leaving or that they failed a test.

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AnastasiaKafka
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posted 09-13-08 11:39 PM CT (US)     30 / 66       
Many people were affected by the 11th of September terrorist attacks, and it is only natural for them to bring it up.
In my experience, natural has been to bring it up to take cheap shots at Americans.
It might be mentioned more often than other possibly more recent events, but that is because a majority of the posters are American.

I think that might make actual sense if an American had created the topic and the many non Americans here didn't launch into their overstated and rehearsed commentary. Come on, they could set it all to music and make a proper musical out of it by now. Anyway, so goes our reluctance to want to discuss the subject, and that is evident in the American (the minority of posters) comments here. Again, when we tried recently to have a serious discussion about an issue directly related to the event that topic was closed.
"America can stand proud with our against Global Terrorism, Uncle Sam is proud of you all" or any such rabble.
hey Hailstorm65,
Yes, and perhaps if your statements didn't come off like a tourist who's only sense of our Nation comes from old Hollywood movies then you might have gained more interest. Still, I've shared some memories of 9/11, and I appreciate you sharing yours.

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"I think you will realize the emphasis was on Ana and Cake." - Monk

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morgoth bauglir
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posted 09-14-08 01:57 AM CT (US)     31 / 66       
Great posts, and I wouldn't have wanted to miss yet another opportunity for Europeans to toot their own horn. Only you'll have to forgive us for our lack of enthusiasm for your great accomplishments (enduring strife) like the ump-teenth time we've been afforded them.
Yes, and I'm being clear about it, unlike a certain person I quoted from with her hidden insults and lack of a overall point.
Just so you know, it's the little pointed remarks like "americans sat superior till 9/11" that are annoying.
Annoying, yes, but true as frack. The average american was sitting comfortably in their own home mildly shocked, mildly entertained by the blight of others, having never seen a real properly motivated force, with the shambles of the Soviet Union collapsing anyway. With the golden 90's and success "over there" (Iraq) there was nothing to worry about. America has always been protected by it's location more than anything else. If america would've been an european country, (let's add an US sized chuck of land to the coast of France, shall we) they'd be overrun by the naziseven faster than France surrendered. That's the ONLY thing that has truly made the US the superpower it is today. Not the "hard-working" middle-class, not the "american dream" per se (it helped, but again thanks to americas unique geography). And at the end of the 90's, with globalazation in full power and america's me-first policy in every land possible, it was bound to happen. Not saying the americans deserved it (noone deserves an attack aginst the civilian populous), but it had to happen sooner or later.

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posted 09-14-08 04:58 AM CT (US)     32 / 66       
It was a great tragedy and I'm sorry about all the people who died, but I can't help but feel it has been blown out of proportion. Compare the number of casualties to, say, the number of civilian deaths in Iraq and you can see what I mean.
AnastasiaKafka
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posted 09-14-08 06:49 AM CT (US)     33 / 66       
Now, years later after an extremely flawed, and in my opinion failed response to the attack, the significance of 9/11 has been reduced to jokes, and a mere opportunity for any insecure dick head to take cheap shots at Americans.
Hey Quaazi,
Hidden? Just tell me what part of my posts are not clear for you and I'll try to walk you through them.
The average american was sitting comfortably in their own home mildly shocked, mildly entertained by the blight of others, having never seen a real properly motivated force, with the shambles of the Soviet Union collapsing anyway. With the golden 90's and success "over there" (Iraq) there was nothing to worry about. America has always been protected by it's location more than anything else. If america would've been an european country, (let's add an US sized chuck of land to the coast of France, shall we) they'd be overrun by the naziseven faster than France surrendered. That's the ONLY thing that has truly made the US the superpower it is today. Not the "hard-working" middle-class, not the "american dream" per se (it helped, but again thanks to americas unique geography). And at the end of the 90's, with globalazation in full power and america's me-first policy in every land possible, it was bound to happen. Not saying the americans deserved it (noone deserves an attack aginst the civilian populous), but it had to happen sooner or later.
*laughs*
And the point of that ludicrous diatribe is?

-- I rest my case.
but I can't help but feel it has been blown out of proportion.
Indeed, and many Americans like myself feel the same way. In my opinion that helped to diminish it's true significance for me, and what should have been a more intimate national remembrance, and a testimony of the indelible human spirit, was made a symbol for flawed and failed world policies. Anyway, with Godwin's Law in full effect here ("they'd be overrun by the nazis even faster than France surrendered"). I'll just say that cheap shots like those wouldn't go over well in NYC, and they are a big reason why many Americans are not interested in what others think about it.

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Scud
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posted 09-14-08 07:04 AM CT (US)     34 / 66       
didn't launch into their overstated and rehearsed commentary. Come on, they could set it all to music and make a proper musical out of it by now
The same can be said with the usual ripostes you have replied with - the standard fair you find on any discussion related to the event.

The problem, with both parties, is the lack to construct worthy prose that explains their points without looking like an arrogant tit. Also, when such rabid emotions and flag-waving patriotism (again by both parties), only lead to such tiring mess of half-baked philosophy, dubious fact with little understanding of international relations and theory (especially from 'Go Team Europe') and whole lot o' love bias - reading these threads becomes rather cringe-worthy.

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morgoth bauglir
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posted 09-14-08 07:15 AM CT (US)     35 / 66       
-- I rest my case.
I take it you'll stop that thing you have been doing till now? I sure as hell hope so. You didn't have a point to begin with, or at least none that I could see.

The point of my ludicrous diatribe was, that it was bound to happen sooner or later, and geography was what didn't allow it till then.

Please, sum up your thoughts in one longer sentence instead of that "In my experience, natural has been to bring it up to take cheap shots at Americans." crap which is a cheap shot in itself.

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Ornlu
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posted 09-14-08 08:04 AM CT (US)     36 / 66       
In my experience, natural has been to bring it up to take cheap shots at Americans.
Don't be such a bitch, Ana. The cheap shots are mutual and have always been there regardless of the subject. You are making a mountain of a molehill and it strikes me as attention-seeking behaviour rather than genuine resentment over the topic.

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AnastasiaKafka
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posted 09-14-08 08:12 AM CT (US)     37 / 66       
The problem, with both parties, is the lack to construct worthy prose that explains their points without looking like an arrogant tit. Also, when such rabid emotions and flag-waving patriotism (again by both parties), only lead to such tiring mess of half-baked philosophy, dubious fact with little understanding of international relations and theory (especially from 'Go Team Europe') and whole lot o' love bias - reading these threads becomes rather cringe-worthy.
I don't agree, and my criticism stands with regard to the "Go Team Europe" crowd. My point with regard to the one sided phenomenon was made evident in Quazzi's diatribe.
they'd be overrun by the nazis even faster than France surrendered.
If it's cringe-worthy your after then look no further. No, my criticism stands. I challenge you to point out one instance of "flag-waving patriotism" in an American's posts here.

No, the cheap shots haven't been mutual, but as a woman I expect to be accused of being a bitch for making valid criticisms. Next up will be a post about an imagined emotional state of mine. I could set my watch to this Ad Hominem nonsense. Still, this is the Internet so please don't let my posts stop you.

Ornlu,
Your post strikes me as what we call idiots delight. Does that make us even? Or do you need more attention?

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Ornlu
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posted 09-14-08 08:57 AM CT (US)     38 / 66       
No, the cheap shots haven't been mutual, but as a woman I expect to be accused of acting like a bitch for making valid criticisms.

Ornlu,
Your post strikes me as an idiots delight. Does that make us even? Or do you need more attention?
It has absolutely nothing to do with you being a woman, but rather with the whining and pointless nature of your criticism.

What are you trying to prove? That the terrorist attacks of the 11th of September were a horrible tragedy and are still a sensitive subject for many? Certainly. That there's a "Go Team Europe" crowd? Absolutely. There's nothing controversial in this that warrants a response like yours.

However, the cheap shots certainly are mutual. Not only on these forums, but pretty much everywhere. As a European man of Middle Eastern decent with very close ties to America, I dare you to claim otherwise. The amount of crap I read daily doesn't even get close to the few "cheap shots" from Estonia you hear here. It still doesn't change my opinion of the subject. I have already said what I think of it earlier in the thread - a harmless statement which you somehow managed to twist to suit whatever agenda you seem to have.

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AnastasiaKafka
Squire
posted 09-14-08 09:13 AM CT (US)     39 / 66       
It has absolutely nothing to do with you being a woman, but rather with the whining and pointless nature of your criticism.
Fair enough, and thanks for clearing that up, I think we can agree that we both have found things that are pointless from our different perspectives. I'd like to understand your experience and your specific concerns. However, yours is the greater and serious discussion that is for all intents and purposes not permitted here. My point was keeping with the standard fare here, to be conceded to your greater points.
What are you trying to prove?
I made the criticism inside the larger point I made about Americans not being interested in these kinds of topics, and I stood by it.

I didn't know I needed some special pass or qualification to post my thoughts here though? My advice is that if you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen.

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Ornlu
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posted 09-14-08 09:17 AM CT (US)     40 / 66       
I didn't know I needed some special pass or qualification to post my thoughts here though? My advice is that if you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen.
You don't, but if we're going to continue on that metaphor, there's no reason to heat up the kitchen more than what's necessary.

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morgoth bauglir
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posted 09-14-08 09:23 AM CT (US)     41 / 66       
Anyway, with Godwin's Law in full effect here ("they'd be overrun by the nazis even faster than France surrendered").
Sorry, my claim was from a purely military standpoint, no politics intended. I was just trying to give a reason for the american confidence till 9/11. WWII had a lot to do with it.

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Eaglehaslanded
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posted 09-14-08 09:31 AM CT (US)     42 / 66       
So, Ana, your point is: Americans don't attribute as much importance to 9/11 as other people think you do?
And Quaazi, your point is: Americans hadn't suffered like that before 9/11?

At least, that's what I can glean from between your thinly veiled insults.

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AnastasiaKafka
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posted 09-14-08 09:38 AM CT (US)     43 / 66       
You don't, but if we're going to continue on that metaphor, there's no reason to heat up the kitchen more than what's necessary.
Come on, do you mean to tell me you haven't enjoyed this discussion? *sigh* I'm sorry if I don't feel the urge to enter the many discussions about masturbation around here, but you're going to have to understand that these topics hold a similar interest and are fun for me.

Still, if you want me to take you seriously then you are going to have to meet me half way.
So, Ana, your point is: Americans don't attribute as much importance to 9/11 as other people think you do?
Kind of -- more like it's significance is as varied among Americans as it is the rest of the world. Therefore, can't be discussed in broad and sweeping terms. The part about the lectures we get from Europeans every time this comes up was just me being a bitch.
So, Ana, your point is: Americans don't attribute as much importance to 9/11 as other people think you do?
Kind of -- more like it's significance is as varied among Americans as it is the rest of the world. Therefore, can't be discussed in broad and sweeping terms. The part about the lectures we get from Europeans every time this comes up was just me being a bitch.

*laughs*
I thought you guys were the masters of subtlety? I didn't think my comment about "insecure dick heads taking cheap shots at Americans" was veiled in any way? I guess I'll have to work on that for the next time. You guys must work on the Nazi/WWII analogies too. For as long as you stand by those comments as reasonable I won't be able to take you seriously.

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Scud
Primus inter pares
posted 09-14-08 09:53 AM CT (US)     44 / 66       
Kind of -- more like it's significance is as varied among Americans as it is the rest of the world.
Then what's with the farcical slew of replies, turning the discussion into a hyperbole?

What you say can be considered true, but the manner in which you say them convience many others otherwise.

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Eaglehaslanded
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posted 09-14-08 10:00 AM CT (US)     45 / 66       
Scud with his new 'responsible moderator' hat on. ^

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Ornlu
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posted 09-14-08 10:01 AM CT (US)     46 / 66       
Come on, do you mean to tell me you haven't enjoyed this discussion? *sigh* I'm sorry if I don't feel the urge to enter the many discussions about masturbation around here, but you're going to have to understand that these topics hold a similar interest and are fun for me.

Still, if you want me to take you seriously then you are going to have to meet me half way.
It has definitely been an enjoyable discussion, but the bitch who also lives in me felt the urge to counter your analogy just for the sake of it.

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Eaglehaslanded
Squire
posted 09-14-08 10:03 AM CT (US)     47 / 66       
If everyone has the same view, there'd be no point in a discussion forum.

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AnastasiaKafka
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posted 09-14-08 10:16 AM CT (US)     48 / 66       
farcical slew of replies
Is the pot calling the kettle black now?
What you say can be considered true, but the manner in which you say them convience many others otherwise.
That's nonsense...now I have to say things in some special nice way? What part of I don't care how convinced anyone is of my criticism is important to you then? It's interesting that you think it's fine to criticize me for hyperbole, but not for me to criticize others for it. Double standard much?

Oh wait, there is a better way to put that -- Don't you think that is a double standard? Just being a bitch is all...
It has definitely been an enjoyable discussion, but the bitch who also lives in me felt the urge to counter your analogy just for the sake of it.
Now there's the spirit!

Really Guys, I'm just another asshole living in America. Still, if you want to understand me, or what I think I know about the world, then you are going to have to let me voice my opinions, make criticisms, and give my unique view points. If anyone starts on with some imagined emotional states, and other nonsense I'm going to call them on it every time. Likewise, I do appreciate you guys giving me my fair share of abuse.

Scud is right though we'd have to get past the hyperbole to have these kinds of topics be meaningful. They wouldn't be as much fun, but we can't have everything.

Quazzi,
I thought I summed it up when I wrote about the Internet and globilization making monkeys of us all, but for our sake, I think I should remind you that I love and respect you despite my criticisms of your posts etc..

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"What Ana said. Use sugar and the whip." - aka the Pilot
"I think you will realize the emphasis was on Ana and Cake." - Monk

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Evil Tailor
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posted 09-14-08 12:06 PM CT (US)     49 / 66       
This is not an america related topic, in 9/11 terrorits could have attacked european places and such, the same way they did attack madrid in march the 11th, because it's a symbolic date.
It's all about marketing.
I think Murloc here quite hit the nail in the head!

Furthermore, I was in London 7 July 2005, say anything? Not masses of people died but it was terrorism by definition. This is a western topic!

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morgoth bauglir
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posted 09-14-08 12:06 PM CT (US)     50 / 66       
Oh no, don't worry about that. These kind of arguments are still productive, even though they might not seem such.

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