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Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 10-18-16 08:35 PM CT (US)         
I'm grumpy. I want to relax and have fun in the SS and occasionally be silly and post lots of comics about talking flag-patterned balls. But we can't go twenty-five posts without something about the looming shitstorm catastrophe between the embodiment of political corruption and the embodiment of negative American stereotypes.

So... let's talk politics here, as civilly as required by the CoC. And leave our poor balls alone.

Oh, yeah... #FeeltheJohnson. FEEEEEEL IIIIIT. It's the only ticket in all fifty states without any rape apologism. Also, look at the lovely Marxist artwork in the Graduate Student Association office.

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[This message has been edited by Moff Yittreas (edited 10-19-2016 @ 07:29 PM).]

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Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 04-05-17 10:41 AM CT (US)     976 / 2505       
Democrats, who got hammers in the 2016 presidential election and lost more than 1,000 legislative seats while Barack Obama was president, want to register new voters.

How new? How about the minute they're born?

A Democratic leader in Washington state is moving to pass legislation to get people registered to vote at birth.
But it's not just in the liberal land of stoners and Starbucks, according to McClatchy.

In Nevada and New Mexico, a liberal group is pressuring the legislatures to let people register when they get driver’s licenses.

In Ohio, progressive activists have thrown their support behind a mayoral candidate because she fights with Republicans about voting access.

Across the country, Democrats and their allies are plotting a quiet and disjointed but considerable push to make voting easier by dismantling registration barriers and promoting candidates who want to expand voting rights. It’s all an effort to reshape the electorate by creating new Democratic voters.

If successful, the effect could be profound. The more people who vote, the better Democrats usually do in everything from a marquee presidential election to little-noticed municipal race.

“Democrats have been on the defensive,” said Tina Podlodowski, chairwoman of the Washington State Democratic Party. “We’ve tried to get on the offensive, and I think people are starting to listen more and more to that.”

Democrats are clearly getting desperate. “If you look at different countries, European countries or Scandinavian countries, basically folks walk in when they’re 18 and they just start voting and don’t have to register,” Podlodowski said. “Because they were registered at birth.”
Emphasis mine. What the f**k.

Another opinion piece, so there's slant... but... really? "We're gonna get you by saying your name wrong!" We are goddamned second graders.

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Vinyl
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posted 04-05-17 01:11 PM CT (US)     977 / 2505       
It sounds like they are pushing to register, not to get voting rights. You still couldn't vote until you were of legal age. What is the problem with that. this is all because the current system makes it economically difficult for the poor to vote.
Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 04-05-17 01:20 PM CT (US)     978 / 2505       
To register with a party. Followed promptly by Bill Joe Bob insisting his kids are registered Republican and this being deemed child abuse. <_<

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Vinyl
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posted 04-05-17 01:37 PM CT (US)     979 / 2505       
Your article says nothing about registering with a party. It seems quite clear they mean just to vote. Legislation would not make sense if it had a partisan ruling like that.

It is interesting how it suggests this is bad purely because it helps the democrats. we should not people who would vote democrat vote... Hmm...

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Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 04-05-17 01:45 PM CT (US)     980 / 2505       
I seem to recall choosing a party when I registered to vote.

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Vinyl
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posted 04-05-17 01:49 PM CT (US)     981 / 2505       
That just sets you to vote in primaries. Most people choose no affiliation. The worst case outcome is that parents would choose. The likely case is no party choice.
Vinyl
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posted 04-05-17 01:51 PM CT (US)     982 / 2505       
If I had to wager, the dems probably don't want the poor to register as dems because it makes it harder for them to push candidates who screw the poor. The politically disillusioned are currently less likely to register with a party and therefore less likely to vote Bernie and friends.
Enfynet
Squire
posted 04-05-17 02:52 PM CT (US)     983 / 2505       
The politically disillusioned are less likely to register with a party and therefore less likely to vote in primaries. Then the people who make it out of the primaries are not closely aligned with those millions of "independent" voters, and we end up with these awful general elections.

Then, of course, we do run into issues with the 2-party system if you allow the opposing party to vote in your primaries, due to the possibility of giving extra votes to that party's weakest candidates.

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Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 04-05-17 03:04 PM CT (US)     984 / 2505       
Exactly. Hell, back during the GOP primary, there was serious concern that the reason Trump was pulling ahead was from pro-Hillary activists switching affiliation in order to stuff the ballot box in favor of the joke candidate.

If so, one can almost enjoy the egg on their faces... were not for the bits of shell on ours.

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Vinyl
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posted 04-05-17 06:24 PM CT (US)     985 / 2505       
There is sparse evidence to support this happening on a significant scale. Apart from Texas republicans voting for Clinton to screw Obama a few years ago, it seems like a more theoretical issue. Needless to say, it didn't work that time either.
Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 04-05-17 07:46 PM CT (US)     986 / 2505       
Huh. I thought it was the other way around: Republicans voting Obama to screw Hillary.

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Vinyl
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posted 04-06-17 10:31 AM CT (US)     987 / 2505       
http://www.masstransitmag.com/press_release/12322126/220-cities-losing-all-passenger-train-service-per-trump-elimination-of-all-federal-funding-for-amtraks-national-network-trains

Trump cuts funding for major national rail

A ton of small rural towns rely on trains. Trump does not like trains.

"Elimination of all federal funding for Amtrak’s national network trains, which provides the only national network service to 23 states, and the only nearby Amtrak service for 144.6 million Americans"

Hopefully grassroots leaders can adequately communicate how bad this is for rural communities...
The Black Adder
Squire
posted 04-07-17 06:17 AM CT (US)     988 / 2505       
This makes me so sad. American passenger rail is pathetic enough without Trump shitting on it from a great height.
Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 04-07-17 07:09 AM CT (US)     989 / 2505       
Passenger rail is basically dead. In return, service plummeted because why waste money when no one rides? So now there's no incentive.

Last time I took a train for travel was over twenty years ago. My dad had to take the train from here to NYC a few times for work a few years ago... but that was also a mass-transit situation (an entire team of project specialists needed to get down there... and it was on the state's dime). I mean, I've considered taking a train cross-country to see friends and family, but it's more expensive than a plane, obviously slower, and you don't get a superior accomodation to compensate for the slower speed and higher price.

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The Black Adder
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posted 04-07-17 07:51 AM CT (US)     990 / 2505       
Admittedly the size of the States makes cross-country rail travel difficult - nobody in their right mind would take a train from Boston to San Diego unless they had a lot of time to kill and were doing it for the journey as much as the destination. But there's absolutely no excuse for densely populated areas such as the northeast, Lake Michigan area, Florida, southeast Texas or coastal California (even mid-range corridors like NYC-Chicago) not to be covered by a dense and efficient network of complementary high-speed rail corridors and slower regional/commuter services. No excuse at all...you know, other than that big oil doesn't like it when people don't sit in gas-guzzling SUVs in traffic jams for hours on end. Or take equally gas-guzzling planes.
Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 04-07-17 08:08 AM CT (US)     991 / 2505       
Sure there is... when the money that should go to maintaining a rail infrastructure instead goes to state legislature and gubernatorial kickbacks, and paying pensions and salaries for politicians convicted of felony crimes as well as their legal fees. We've had some chucklef**ks beating their chests for high speed rail for ages... but using the existing, freight-rated track.

And Amtrak's safety record is really nothing to be proud of. While small, local metro lines are useful (see NYC), it's pretty clear that there's a lot more going than those darn dirty oil companies. (By the way, trains run on oil too)

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[This message has been edited by Moff von Degurechaff (edited 04-07-2017 @ 08:09 AM).]

Lord Sipia
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posted 04-07-17 08:32 AM CT (US)     992 / 2505       
Of course trains run on oil, but what I've understood is that they're considerably more efficient per passenger when compared to said passengers sitting in individual cars. That's part of the whole idea behind public transport. It depends on the train, of course. That said, I doubt big oil is behind this one... at least, not by itself.

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The Black Adder
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posted 04-07-17 08:33 AM CT (US)     993 / 2505       
(By the way, trains run on oil too)
Not on a modern network, they don't. Even diesels consume a fraction per capita of oil compared to cars or planes, but the real solution would be electrify + power with renewables.

America has more rail kilometers than any other country in the world but the vast majority of it is crumbling, aging, single-track, non-electrified freight lines that you can barely truckle along at 40 km/h on. That's a lot of inertia to overcome before you can set up any sort of reasonably viable rail network. Let alone high-speed rail which would require dedicated tracks. No wonder the political will isn't there. We're paying the price for basically neglecting the network since the 1950s.

And complaining about rail safety records when driving is and has always been by an enormous margin the least safe method of transportation doesn't really hold much water with me...
Vinyl
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posted 04-07-17 08:56 AM CT (US)     994 / 2505       
You are confusing the Amtrak system in the northeast for the one being discussed here. The New England one is ok. I like it. If you book at a good time it's a slightly cheaper alternative to planes. But this is not about the rail between New York and Philly. This is the rail between hicktown A and hicktown B who have no airports and use this as their only means of long distance travel. It is not a profitable venture because the users are generally poor. But if you cut off rail, you isolate these towns. They need more, and more modern rail.
Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 04-07-17 09:40 AM CT (US)     995 / 2505       
Of course trains run on oil, but what I've understood is that they're considerably more efficient per passenger when compared to said passengers sitting in individual cars. That's part of the whole idea behind public transport. It depends on the train, of course
It depends on there being people on the train. The train's going to burn so many gallons of oil per mile, whether it's in the diesel tank on board or at the power plant supplying current. It's only worthwhile if there are enough warm bodies on board to pay for that fuel expenditure.

From every report I've seen, there are not. I wish there was, and not just because I like trains.
That said, I doubt big oil is behind this one... at least, not by itself.
At this point, I tend to treat "BIG OIL!!!!" as little better than "ILLUMINATI!!!!" That's how worn out and ubiquitous a cry it has become. Sure, energy companies definitely have issues and need to be held accountable. They wield undue influence with politics. They do business with unscrupulous regimes that hold a near-monopoly on the raw material.

But they're shady and occasionally dirty businessmen, not mustache-twirling Bond villains (except the time an oil company was the Bond villain, but then it turned out to be a water company anyway).
This is the rail between hicktown A and hicktown B who have no airports and use this as their only means of long distance travel. It is not a profitable venture because the users are generally poor. But if you cut off rail, you isolate these towns. They need more, and more modern rail.
Having lived in Hicktowns, USA before... I see no tracks in Nassau, and while there were tracks in Stamford, they were defunct. I saw precious little in the way of rail service in rural areas. It was all county and interstate highways for transit.

That's the limit of my experience, though. If you're talking about Wyoming or North Dakota, then I can't speak to that as well you. I can only tell you what I've seen and read.

Although, there is a delightful scenic railway in Phoenicia that I used to delight in when I was a kid. Oddly, while I was living closer to that area, I never went back. Again, I'd love it if I could drive to a nearby rail station, hop on a train, and take it to uni and only burn a fraction of the gas I do now. But the lines do not exist here. And, hilariously (in the saddest sense of the word), we are not willing to invest in new infrastructure... not while what we already have is crumbling and falling apart.
America has more rail kilometers than any other country in the world but the vast majority of it is crumbling, aging, single-track, non-electrified freight lines that you can barely truckle along at 40 km/h on. That's a lot of inertia to overcome before you can set up any sort of reasonably viable rail network. Let alone high-speed rail which would require dedicated tracks. No wonder the political will isn't there. We're paying the price for basically neglecting the network since the 1950s.
Exactly.
And complaining about rail safety records when driving is and has always been by an enormous margin the least safe method of transportation doesn't really hold much water with me...
Like anything else, it's an issue of scale. A car crash might result in nothing more than scraped paint and cracked plastic. A plane or train crash involves dozens or hundreds of people. It is psychological, and I'd happily take a train and not worry about safety.

It's the idea of trying to do high-speed rail, which as you point out requires dedicated lines, on the tracks that I see around here. People would die.

But it sounds oh so very nice for Congressman Tonko's and Senator Schumer's speeches.

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The Black Adder
Squire
posted 04-07-17 10:13 AM CT (US)     996 / 2505       
Are they really suggesting that all you'd need for high speed rail is to put a bullet train on a freight line, crank it up to 300 km/h and hope for the best?

[This message has been edited by The Black Adder (edited 04-07-2017 @ 10:13 AM).]

Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 04-07-17 10:17 AM CT (US)     997 / 2505       
They're suggesting it'll just take "minor improvements."

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Vinyl
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posted 04-07-17 03:40 PM CT (US)     998 / 2505       
NY and CT are part of the northeast corridor train section. Things are not nearly as spread out in the northeaster.
At this point, I tend to treat "BIG OIL!!!!" as little better than "ILLUMINATI!!!!" That's how worn out and ubiquitous a cry it has become. Sure, energy companies definitely have issues and need to be held accountable. They wield undue influence with politics. They do business with unscrupulous regimes that hold a near-monopoly on the raw material.

But they're shady and occasionally dirty businessmen, not mustache-twirling Bond villains (except the time an oil company was the Bond villain, but then it turned out to be a water company anyway).
Dont a large portion bond villains just have a profit motive until bond makes it personal?
Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 04-07-17 03:46 PM CT (US)     999 / 2505       
Well... Connery's run was all SPECTRE, which... actually, yeah, was profit. Except Goldfinger, who was doing nuclear terrorism for profit. Moore had the two world-ending crazies, a heroin kingpin, a Soviet general trying to make it rich, Greek drug lords trying to sell captured British encryption gear...

Humm. Yeah. Yeah, you have a point.

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Enfynet
Squire
posted 04-07-17 05:50 PM CT (US)     1000 / 2505       
I would imagine "profit" is motivation for most of human civilization.

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