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Lord Sipia
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posted 10-19-18 07:13 AM CT (US)         
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  • "You can't open up the story of my life and just go to page 738 and think you know me."
    --Arin "Egoraptor" Hanson (on judging people by their Google search history)

    "It's hard to have an existential crisis when everything is so pretty."
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    Popeychops
    "Cool" Huskarl
    posted 06-16-19 12:06 PM CT (US)     351 / 428       
    You can't seriously tell me that life imprisonment is somehow cheaper than the death penalty?
    The legal apparatus for murder is surprisingly complex.

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    ax_man1
    Squire
    posted 06-16-19 05:40 PM CT (US)     352 / 428       
    Oh holy butts. Are you serious? The metric system as a weapon of the NWO?
    No one tell Tucker then that pretty much the only people still using imperial units are regular people. Science, business, and all that has largely or completely swapped to metric, and imperial units are only there for the laypeople.
    You can't seriously tell me that life imprisonment is somehow cheaper than the death penalty?
    It can be up to 10 times cheaper.

    ax_man1

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    [This message has been edited by ax_man1 (edited 06-16-2019 @ 06:22 PM).]

    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 06-20-19 06:14 PM CT (US)     353 / 428       
    Trump is saying Iran shooting down a US drone is a mistake and not grounds for military action.

    John Bolton apoplectic.

    Vox, Salon, HuffPo, and CNN, having just published their articles on why racist Trump wants a war with Iran to secure his dictatorship, are now frantically drafting articles and thinkpieces on why not wanting war is racist and part of Trump's evil plans ("What, he thinks because they're not white, they can't shoot down a product of our military-industrial complex??")

    Fox is confused between YAY WAR and "Trump is always right." Hannity to declare it another sign that Donnie is the Second Coming.

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    ax_man1
    Squire
    posted 06-22-19 01:42 AM CT (US)     354 / 428       
    Well Fox and Friends was apparently calling Trump weak on this earlier today, so we're probably 80 minutes from a tweetstorm and Trump demanding we use nukes on Iran.

    And one of the conservatives I keep around on my newsfeed is all "Minimum wage isn't supposed to be a living wage. Stop blaming others for your situation." So it's like "Ok, so you support work placement and training programs and free community college so people can improve their situations?" And he's like "No why should I be responsible for them?" Ok, so you just want to bluster and not offer any solutions. Typical conservative these days...

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    Neochud
    Squire
    (id: Taichud)
    posted 06-25-19 09:51 PM CT (US)     355 / 428       
    It seems Iran is deliberately seeking out escalation with the United States, yet I doubt they actually want a full-blown war. Perhaps confronting the US points shores up the government's support in a population suffering under economic tribulation? Perhaps they really do believe that exercising pressure on the oil trade will force the international community to lessen its sanctions on Iran? Either way, they appear willing to risk it all for that. If the war that might result from this whole affair is of a limited nature, as it would likely be, then the Islamic Revolutionary Guard is indeed excellently suited for the asymmetrical warfare that it may entail. Such wars never seem to work out very well for the United States...
    And one of the conservatives I keep around on my newsfeed is all "Minimum wage isn't supposed to be a living wage. Stop blaming others for your situation." So it's like "Ok, so you support work placement and training programs and free community college so people can improve their situations?" And he's like "No why should I be responsible for them?" Ok, so you just want to bluster and not offer any solutions. Typical conservative these days...
    Not just these days. A common conservative world-view forever has been that the poor deserve to be poor for their moral failings.

    The original conservatives believed that the elite should keep its traditional privileges in the name of God and custom. Most present conservatives continue to hold this view; they just disguise it by creating the myth that the elite rightfully gained its place by merit where once it was lineage.

    [This message has been edited by Neochud (edited 06-25-2019 @ 09:52 PM).]

    ax_man1
    Squire
    posted 06-30-19 11:46 AM CT (US)     356 / 428       

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    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 07-01-19 12:29 PM CT (US)     357 / 428       
    Harris (to Biden): "You're a racist!"
    Biden (to Harris): "You're a cop!"

    Well... I'm sure that will help the police unions convince their members to vote blue.

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    Lord Sipia
    Knight
    posted 07-02-19 09:25 AM CT (US)     358 / 428       
    Hey Moff, just out of curiosity; if you could choose the Democrat candidate to go up against Trump in the presidential elections, who would you go with?

    "You can't open up the story of my life and just go to page 738 and think you know me."
    --Arin "Egoraptor" Hanson (on judging people by their Google search history)

    "It's hard to have an existential crisis when everything is so pretty."
    --Dan "Danny Sexbang" Avidan
    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 07-02-19 10:45 AM CT (US)     359 / 428       
    Tulsi, I guess. At least she won't be prone to random foreign interventions for poll numbers or money.

    Actually, if by some miracle she is the Dem candidate... I will vote Democrat for the first time in my life. Though her running mate also matters, but she can cancel a lot of negativity.

    Of course, the real dream is a candidate who isn't beholden to destructive ideologies from neoliberal or neoconservative caucuses, or worse, but actually is focused on the needs of the country and its people would take the Big Chair. Someone who isn't a needless warmonger, but also won't run around bowing to dictators or cozying up to them.

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    Lord Sipia: "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SIPPY IS EXCLUDED! EVERYBODY LOSES THEIR SANITY" | Also Lord Sipia: "...Of course. Prepare the butter."
    "Moff's anime diatribes/photos are infinitely less annoying than legion's communism, so I don't complain." - Azzie, proving that cute girls driving tanks >> Left-wing ideology

    [This message has been edited by Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo (edited 07-02-2019 @ 10:55 AM).]

    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 07-09-19 04:44 PM CT (US)     360 / 428       
    I need to modify the above, though this is based on limited information and discussions with partisans. Buttigieg sounds like a good plan, too.

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    "Moff's anime diatribes/photos are infinitely less annoying than legion's communism, so I don't complain." - Azzie, proving that cute girls driving tanks >> Left-wing ideology
    ax_man1
    Squire
    posted 07-09-19 09:12 PM CT (US)     361 / 428       
    Another day, another republican f***ing with university and state budgets.

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    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 07-26-19 11:41 AM CT (US)     362 / 428       
    AX-PONE! You were Chair Force. What say you?

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/26/space-corps-naval-rank-1433541?fbclid=IwAR1cnKgdHvRjBp0YruhGHGhWRU7Af4JFD9sot6w1MnMeeaIYcKYASLklFOQ

    Personally... I think they really need to carve their identity out from both traditions. Do something new. Maybe use the Battlestar Galactica rank structure. I'll even design new officer insignia for them. Maybe something in blue-and-red geometric shapes to denote seniority and intraservice branch... <_<

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    Lord Sipia: "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SIPPY IS EXCLUDED! EVERYBODY LOSES THEIR SANITY" | Also Lord Sipia: "...Of course. Prepare the butter."
    "Moff's anime diatribes/photos are infinitely less annoying than legion's communism, so I don't complain." - Azzie, proving that cute girls driving tanks >> Left-wing ideology
    ax_man1
    Squire
    posted 07-26-19 07:08 PM CT (US)     363 / 428       
    Seeing as Space Command is/was the purview of the Air Force, they'll likely end up using not-Navy ranks.

    As far as tradition...rofl, the Air Force tries to force tradition so they can be like the other branches rather than let them grow organically. Force something and the people will come to dislike it because they'll see it as an obligation rather than a cultural touchstone.

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    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 07-27-19 10:56 AM CT (US)     364 / 428       
    I mean, they were only around for 70 years. And before that, were just a branch of the Army.

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    "Moff's anime diatribes/photos are infinitely less annoying than legion's communism, so I don't complain." - Azzie, proving that cute girls driving tanks >> Left-wing ideology
    Lord Sipia
    Knight
    posted 07-27-19 12:33 PM CT (US)     365 / 428       

    "You can't open up the story of my life and just go to page 738 and think you know me."
    --Arin "Egoraptor" Hanson (on judging people by their Google search history)

    "It's hard to have an existential crisis when everything is so pretty."
    --Dan "Danny Sexbang" Avidan
    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 07-27-19 01:38 PM CT (US)     366 / 428       
    So, as I understand, BoJo says Brexit happens by Halloween, deal or no deal. My question, how likely is the EU to even negotiate a deal?

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    Lord Sipia: "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SIPPY IS EXCLUDED! EVERYBODY LOSES THEIR SANITY" | Also Lord Sipia: "...Of course. Prepare the butter."
    "Moff's anime diatribes/photos are infinitely less annoying than legion's communism, so I don't complain." - Azzie, proving that cute girls driving tanks >> Left-wing ideology
    Lord Sipia
    Knight
    posted 07-27-19 03:57 PM CT (US)     367 / 428       
    If by "negotiate a deal" you mean offer anything better than what May got, the answer is slim to none.

    "You can't open up the story of my life and just go to page 738 and think you know me."
    --Arin "Egoraptor" Hanson (on judging people by their Google search history)

    "It's hard to have an existential crisis when everything is so pretty."
    --Dan "Danny Sexbang" Avidan
    Popeychops
    "Cool" Huskarl
    posted 07-28-19 07:02 AM CT (US)     368 / 428       
    Literally none. No change. Boris will go for no deal and Parliamentary arithmetic will play out.

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    "Hooray for Dear Leader-Comrade-Generalissimo-Presidente-Lord Protector Popey!" - Lord Sipia, on my benevolent, iron-fisted rule
    "You're not Popeychops; you don't get to physics." - Moff, in response to a clumsy muon simile
    ax_man1
    Squire
    posted 07-29-19 10:46 PM CT (US)     369 / 428       
    The deficit is starting to go haywire? Give the rich another tax cut! That'll surely fix it!"

    ax_man1

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    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 07-30-19 06:26 AM CT (US)     370 / 428       
    The GOP is no longer the party of fiscal responsibility. Or... um, any responsibility.

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    Lord Sipia: "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SIPPY IS EXCLUDED! EVERYBODY LOSES THEIR SANITY" | Also Lord Sipia: "...Of course. Prepare the butter."
    "Moff's anime diatribes/photos are infinitely less annoying than legion's communism, so I don't complain." - Azzie, proving that cute girls driving tanks >> Left-wing ideology
    Popeychops
    "Cool" Huskarl
    posted 08-01-19 07:24 AM CT (US)     371 / 428       
    Conservatives have never been responsible

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    "Popey just hates everywhere." - Chocolate Jesus, on my fear of Romanian organ-traffickers
    "Hooray for Dear Leader-Comrade-Generalissimo-Presidente-Lord Protector Popey!" - Lord Sipia, on my benevolent, iron-fisted rule
    "You're not Popeychops; you don't get to physics." - Moff, in response to a clumsy muon simile
    Lord Sipia
    Knight
    posted 08-02-19 03:33 PM CT (US)     372 / 428       
    Me: Ahh, this week has felt rather pleasant. I hope this keeps up.

    Trump: Allow me to introduce myself.

    "You can't open up the story of my life and just go to page 738 and think you know me."
    --Arin "Egoraptor" Hanson (on judging people by their Google search history)

    "It's hard to have an existential crisis when everything is so pretty."
    --Dan "Danny Sexbang" Avidan
    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 08-03-19 12:51 PM CT (US)     373 / 428       
    That's just the usual idiotic bluster that will come to nothing. It's part of his tactic: come in, yelling screaming and promising doom if demands aren't met--and, of course, you need to make sure people think you're mad enough to follow through--so you can pull the negotiation balance more to your side.

    It's woefully undiplomatic and more suited to cocaine-fuelled 80's-style corporate tactics. And, to me, the question is... what we get after Donnie's gone and folks want some payback, no matter who our President or Congress is? When do we reap these seeds he's planting abroad?

    And how f**king bitter is that harvest gonna be?

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    Lord Sipia: "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SIPPY IS EXCLUDED! EVERYBODY LOSES THEIR SANITY" | Also Lord Sipia: "...Of course. Prepare the butter."
    "Moff's anime diatribes/photos are infinitely less annoying than legion's communism, so I don't complain." - Azzie, proving that cute girls driving tanks >> Left-wing ideology
    Lord Sipia
    Knight
    posted 08-04-19 02:27 AM CT (US)     374 / 428       
    That's what I've been saying, innit? Going around saying current relations with other nations aren't good enough anymore and that you want more for the same because you're 'MURICA and you deserve it might, plausibly, work on the short term if you're convincing enough. But it hurts diplomatic relationships, obviously, and there's consequences for that, both short term and long term. Trump kicking around the US's economic allies to please his nationalist audience's beliefs that it's unfair and a strong leader ought to stand up for America will not turn out well for either the US or said allies because trust is broken.

    But nah, I suppose this is just Trump's 400 IQ 5D underwater chess game and I'm just too basic to understand these mad strats. >_>

    "You can't open up the story of my life and just go to page 738 and think you know me."
    --Arin "Egoraptor" Hanson (on judging people by their Google search history)

    "It's hard to have an existential crisis when everything is so pretty."
    --Dan "Danny Sexbang" Avidan

    [This message has been edited by Lord Sipia (edited 08-04-2019 @ 10:07 AM).]

    Popeychops
    "Cool" Huskarl
    posted 08-04-19 04:13 AM CT (US)     375 / 428       
    We we're making it up back in 2017 when that "Angela Merkel is the leader of the free world" meme arose for a bit. It's true.

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    and The Seas of Egressa (4.8) Voted Best Multiplayer Scenario of 2010
    "Popey just hates everywhere." - Chocolate Jesus, on my fear of Romanian organ-traffickers
    "Hooray for Dear Leader-Comrade-Generalissimo-Presidente-Lord Protector Popey!" - Lord Sipia, on my benevolent, iron-fisted rule
    "You're not Popeychops; you don't get to physics." - Moff, in response to a clumsy muon simile
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