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Lord Sipia
Knight
posted 10-19-18 07:13 AM CT (US)         
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  • "You can't open up the story of my life and just go to page 738 and think you know me."
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    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 08-05-19 11:27 AM CT (US)     376 / 426       
    We are now merging into the Kaiserreich timeline.

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    Lord Sipia
    Knight
    posted 08-07-19 09:16 AM CT (US)     377 / 426       


    I know everybody's already said it, but it's truly bile-inducing whenever Republican politicians pull this crap. A convenient little scapegoat so they don't have to address things the ignorant mainstay of their voting base doesn't want them to address.

    "You can't open up the story of my life and just go to page 738 and think you know me."
    --Arin "Egoraptor" Hanson (on judging people by their Google search history)

    "It's hard to have an existential crisis when everything is so pretty."
    --Dan "Danny Sexbang" Avidan
    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 08-07-19 09:30 AM CT (US)     378 / 426       
    I'm gonna have to stop you there... it's not just one side.

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    Lord Sipia
    Knight
    posted 08-07-19 09:33 AM CT (US)     379 / 426       
    Clickbait farms are not a 'side'. And I didn't think you would consider bad-faith politicians one, either, much less jump to their defense. >_>

    "You can't open up the story of my life and just go to page 738 and think you know me."
    --Arin "Egoraptor" Hanson (on judging people by their Google search history)

    "It's hard to have an existential crisis when everything is so pretty."
    --Dan "Danny Sexbang" Avidan
    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 08-07-19 09:38 AM CT (US)     380 / 426       
    Oh, the "video games cause violence" thing is bullshit. Most "gaming journalism" is a sad joke, even with the current state of journalism these days.

    But Donnie's hardly the first to trot out this appeal to grumpy boomers who remember when they played with sticks and threw rocks at cows instead of those violent beep-boop machines. He probably won't be the last, though hopefully near the end of the line. But, because Orange Man said it... time to circle the wagons!

    Never mind Orange Man's own responsibility for his divisive rhetoric and stoking nativist sentiment. Never mind the faltering mental healthcare programs, and general stigma against seeking help of any sort. No, it's those kids with their Donkey Kong and their Immortal Combats!

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    Lord Sipia
    Knight
    posted 08-07-19 09:42 AM CT (US)     381 / 426       
    That is... literally Jim's argument. It's a distraction tactic to avoid addressing the actual problems.

    "You can't open up the story of my life and just go to page 738 and think you know me."
    --Arin "Egoraptor" Hanson (on judging people by their Google search history)

    "It's hard to have an existential crisis when everything is so pretty."
    --Dan "Danny Sexbang" Avidan
    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 08-07-19 09:49 AM CT (US)     382 / 426       
    Ah. I did not watch yet. Mostly browsing while finishing breakfast.

    That said, I'm now gonna do a full-on 180.


    NANI THE BORK?

    So, at the end of the day, it's all those Italians' fault. Them and their violent Mario games.

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    Eurotool
    Hero
    posted 08-08-19 08:15 PM CT (US)     383 / 426       
    “Be like Mario, he's an Italian plumber, created by Japanese people, who speaks English and looks like a Mexican, jumps like a black man and grabs coins like a Jew.”

    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 08-10-19 09:32 AM CT (US)     384 / 426       
    Epstein was found dead.

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    Eurotool
    Hero
    posted 08-11-19 01:56 PM CT (US)     385 / 426       
    From what I could gather he was a sex offender, financier, his name ends in -stein, he supposedly killed himself but the camera watching him wasn't recording, as it was somehow broken at that very moment. Who was he and what am I missing?

    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 08-11-19 06:05 PM CT (US)     386 / 426       
    his name ends in -stein
    And it begins with Ep-!
    Who was he and what am I missing?
    Sex trafficker to the rich and powerful, mostly in very underage girls.

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    ax_man1
    Squire
    posted 08-13-19 05:49 PM CT (US)     387 / 426       
    Just the latest outrage from the republicans...

    You know, it'd be cool if, using his logic, my tax dollars would not be sent to prop up third-world-equivalent states like Alabama or Mississippi. You know, to encourage those deadbeat leech states to stand on their own two feet.

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    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 08-13-19 06:04 PM CT (US)     388 / 426       
    I mean... it's heartless and inhuman from Trump. On the other hand... I had living relatives who came over the on the boat. Who learned the language, who went through the quarantines... who became Americans first, and the hyphenate at home. Our immigration system is in serious need of reform.

    But it needs to encourage "the melting pot," not a fractious series of enclaves.

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    Eurotool
    Hero
    posted 08-13-19 08:52 PM CT (US)     389 / 426       
    Sad how everyone loses their culture once in the US, no?

    Second gen immigrants forget about where they came from and absorb everything Uncle Sam hands them

    ax_man1
    Squire
    posted 08-13-19 09:51 PM CT (US)     390 / 426       
    I've no issue with immigrants needing to assimilate to the culture and learn the language, but it can be done in a way that doesn't treat them like animals until they "prove" that they're human.

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    Lord Sipia
    Knight
    posted 08-14-19 04:41 AM CT (US)     391 / 426       
    Just the latest outrage from the republicans...
    Gross. You can't just tape your own words onto another poet's. That's forcing your own ideological interpretation on everybody else reading it. If you think this message is that important, write your own damn poem.
    On the other hand... I had living relatives who came over the on the boat. Who learned the language, who went through the quarantines... who became Americans first, and the hyphenate at home.
    The issue is that this doesn't work the same way for everyone. If you look foreign, America will not soon let you forget it, you know. And as the guy in the article Ax linked made clear, 'foreign' means 'not European'. Doesn't matter how many generations your family's been there, you're still second-rate-- if not third-rate. Which brings us to...
    Sad how everyone loses their culture once in the US, no?

    Second gen immigrants forget about where they came from and absorb everything Uncle Sam hands them
    That's a blanket statement and a half, there. Because of what I described above, it can be hard to fit in if you belong to a culture that mainstream America does not consider a part of itself. That in turn means you're stuck in your own ethnic circles, and your children will grow up in those circles, and you'll form your own dialect together, and you'll have your own hybrid culture built from your environment and your ancestral culture. Beautiful in one way, and a perfectly valid existence. But it's also a constant reminder of the fear and hate that created the separation, and a neat little excuse for ignorant people to continue their ignorance. ("See? They're not like us. Look at the way they live, the way they talk. They're just set in their own ways. They'll never be Americans.")

    It should also be noted that America is far too big to have one single, homogeneous culture. There are American peoples, plural. Politicians who say otherwise are most likely trying to force their values onto everybody by appealing to nationality. Ironic how these are often the same politicians who advocate more regional power since "different places have different needs," huh?
    I've no issue with immigrants needing to assimilate to the culture
    No, no, there is an issue with assimilation. Many issues, in fact. Integration is what we want. (The difference being that assimilation is trying to force people to dump their own culture and adopt yours, and integration means becoming part of the national identity while still maintaining your own cultural identity as well.) The main problem with assimilation, of course, is what I've just described: People can't just become American and nothing beyond that, because America has decided for them that they're always going to be at least a little different. Going for assimilation is the bigot's trap: Now it's the discriminatee's fault for being discriminated against.

    I mean, imagine that! Hey, I solved racism, just stop being hated on for your skin color! Why can't you just stop invoking people's prejudices with your genetically determined appearance?! This is your own fault for not being American enough!

    "You can't open up the story of my life and just go to page 738 and think you know me."
    --Arin "Egoraptor" Hanson (on judging people by their Google search history)

    "It's hard to have an existential crisis when everything is so pretty."
    --Dan "Danny Sexbang" Avidan
    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 08-14-19 08:19 PM CT (US)     392 / 426       
    Sad how everyone loses their culture once in the US, no?

    Second gen immigrants forget about where they came from and absorb everything Uncle Sam hands them
    But... do they? I mean, I'm a third-generation immigrant. <_<
    I've no issue with immigrants needing to assimilate to the culture and learn the language, but it can be done in a way that doesn't treat them like animals until they "prove" that they're human.
    Duh.

    I need to go to bed and Sippy wrote too much. Will yell at him tomorrow sometime. :p

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    Lord Sipia
    Knight
    posted 08-15-19 06:07 AM CT (US)     393 / 426       
    Ready to yell back whenever you're ready. *turns on megaphone*

    "You can't open up the story of my life and just go to page 738 and think you know me."
    --Arin "Egoraptor" Hanson (on judging people by their Google search history)

    "It's hard to have an existential crisis when everything is so pretty."
    --Dan "Danny Sexbang" Avidan
    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 08-15-19 06:36 AM CT (US)     394 / 426       
    Gross. You can't just tape your own words onto another poet's. That's forcing your own ideological interpretation on everybody else reading it.
    Correct.
    If you think this message is that important, write your own damn poem.
    Oh God, that's even more terrifying.
    "Roses are red
    Just like my rare steaks
    America is tremendous
    Fix your shitholes yourselves
    You fakes"
    It should also be noted that America is far too big to have one single, homogeneous culture. There are American peoples, plural. Politicians who say otherwise are most likely trying to force their values onto everybody by appealing to nationality. Ironic how these are often the same politicians who advocate more regional power since "different places have different needs," huh?
    Oooh, spicy. But... goes down smooth.

    Good points, actually. And I'm... absolutely guilty of this! I suppose we could try splitting it between a "macroculture" and a "microculture"? Macro being "WE ARE AMERICANS" and then micro is something akin to the difference between an Iowa corn farmer, a San Fran yuppie, a Queens Teamster, et cetera. And then within that, you can subdivide, et cetera. But it seems certain people want these "microcultures" to be the defining and dominant public feature...
    No, no, there is an issue with assimilation. Many issues, in fact. Integration is what we want. (The difference being that assimilation is trying to force people to dump their own culture and adopt yours, and integration means becoming part of the national identity while still maintaining your own cultural identity as well.)
    Where is the line, though? I used to be in an FB group run by a guy in NYC; a cellist at Julliard. He's of Japanese descent. He is also one of the most virulently anti-Western and particularly anti-American people I've ever known, going so far as to say that Japanese warcrimes are basically nonexistent in the face of the great crime against humanity that is America at literally any time in history. When called on the fact that he's a New Yorker, he described how proud he is that he didn't even speak English until he entered primary school, that he "kept his mother tongue clean."

    Now, my grandmother came over here at age 8. She was told by her father, "You're in America now, you speak their language." Not by the police, or her teachers... I suppose my father might lament that Italian wasn't more regularly spoken at home like it was with his friend Eddie, so the most Italian he knows is a small collection of phrases and curse words. And yes, my grandmother endured second looks and remarks during the Second World War even as she was building magnetos for aircraft engines at the factory. Yet, when I talked to her for a biographical project, she never showed any regret about coming here (of course, easier to hide such a thing), and used even the stock phrases: "land of opportunity," "you can become anything," et cetera.

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    Neochud
    Squire
    (id: Taichud)
    posted 08-15-19 08:40 AM CT (US)     395 / 426       
    I read this interesting academic article which looked at three different cultural and political models by which nations approached the problem of ethnicity within their societies. Unfortunately I forgot the name.

    Anyway, the authors argued that in the classic American vision (though that may be changing as an appreciation of inter-sectional identities grows) of the "melting pot", ethnic communities live side by side in harmony but as clearly separate, almost segregated, entities. Thus, one can be Italian American or Japanese American but not Japanese and Italian American at the same time.

    Then they compared that model with the Brazilian and Chilean Argentine model. In the Chilean Argentine understanding, there is only one variety of Chilean Argentine. Any immigrants must assimilate into the Chilean Argentine national culture or not be Chilean Argentine at all. This assimilationism can also be observed in France, where it has failed because France has too many immigrants who would never abandon certain aspects of their culture such as Islam which many indigenous French people feel runs counter to Frenchness. This causes ethnic communities to be socially alienated and frustration among native whites.

    The Brazilian model is perhaps the most compelling. In Brazil it is apparently possible to assume multiple ethnic identities at once, regardless of your actual lineage. People considered white here may participate in aspects of the culture with African background and thereby assume an African identity. Or people of African descent may adopt aspects of the culture of European origin and thereby adopt European identity on top of their African identity. One can be European, African, indigenous and Asian all at the same time, or at least adopt an identity which incorporates all three influences. The idea of cultural appropriation is deeply foreign to Brazilians, perhaps because it's a madness that could only arise in ethnically fragmentary America.

    Of course, there is reason for skepticism because Jair Bolsonaro is obviously using racist rhetoric in Brazil and Brazil has a long history of encouraging whiteness. But if you think about it, this doesn't necessarily dispute that Brazilians think about race and ethnicity differently than Americans. The condemnation of blackness and encouragement of whiteness that some Brazilians engage in does not mean that Brazilians in general don't view ethnic identity as something that is constantly shifting even within a single person. In fact, it could even be evidence of that kind of understanding when one considers that in many Latin American societies ethnic identity doesn't solely depend on your actual genes or skin colour but also on your social and economic position in society. As such, a Colombian middle-class urbanite who is as indigenous (or un-indigenous) in genetic composition as another Colombian living in an indigenous reservation might be considered white while the other would be clearly categorized as indio.

    [This message has been edited by Neochud (edited 08-16-2019 @ 08:07 AM).]

    Lord Sipia
    Knight
    posted 08-16-19 07:08 AM CT (US)     396 / 426       
    I suppose we could try splitting it between a "macroculture" and a "microculture"? Macro being "WE ARE AMERICANS"
    But who decides what it means to be an American? I can tell you after two years of studying that question extensively that a lot of different people have a lot of different answers to that question. And the tricky part is, nobody has the authority to have a final say on it, but lots of people seem to think they do.
    Where is the line, though? I used to be in an FB group run by a guy in NYC; a cellist at Julliard. He's of Japanese descent. He is also one of the most virulently anti-Western and particularly anti-American people I've ever known, going so far as to say that Japanese warcrimes are basically nonexistent in the face of the great crime against humanity that is America at literally any time in history. When called on the fact that he's a New Yorker, he described how proud he is that he didn't even speak English until he entered primary school, that he "kept his mother tongue clean."
    Before I respond to this, just to clarify: So he was born and raised in New York? Is he a second-generation immigrant?
    Yet, when I talked to her for a biographical project, she never showed any regret about coming here (of course, easier to hide such a thing), and used even the stock phrases: "land of opportunity," "you can become anything," et cetera.
    Hmm, yes, this perception comes up a lot in the literature I studied, of course. How much faith people put in America's 'land of opportunity' reputation can vary wildly. It's usually based on personal experiences, although confirmation bias also seems to be at play here (i.e. if nothing sticks out to you as contradicting the notion that there are no barriers to social mobility in America, then you'll believe so).
    Anyway, the authors argued that in the classic American vision (though that may be changing as a appreciation of inter-sectional identities grows) of the "melting pot", ethnic communities live side by side in harmony but as clearly separate, almost segregated, entities. Thus, one can be Italian American or Japanese American but not Japanese and Italian American at the same time.
    Hmm, true for the most part I suppose, but there's also notable instances of mingling between diaspora in urban environments. From what I've understood, for instance, the Italian-American and Irish-American communities in New York City in the mid-20th century were quite close-knit, probably because of the similarities between them (both recently experienced an influx of migrants towards America, both were excluded from the WASP elite, but also no longer considered non-white either and could therefore afford decent working-class or even lower-middle class living conditions, etc.).
    The idea of cultural appropriation is deeply foreign to Brazilians, perhaps because it's a madness that could only arise in ethnically fragmentary America.
    You have to understand that America has a long, long history of exploitation on a racial basis. It's not mad at all that people formed race-based subcultures based on that, and that they're fiercely protective of the cultural products that stem from that. Of course, you could easily list a few ridiculous instances of 'cultural appropriation' accusations, because there's a lot of those and people on the internet love stupid reasons to get outraged. The point is, however, that culture is one of the few things these communities have to call their own, and that's why they're terrified a member of the wealthy elite will exploit it for selfish personal gain.

    "You can't open up the story of my life and just go to page 738 and think you know me."
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    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 08-16-19 07:19 AM CT (US)     397 / 426       
    But who decides what it means to be an American? I can tell you after two years of studying that question extensively that a lot of different people have a lot of different answers to that question. And the tricky part is, nobody has the authority to have a final say on it, but lots of people seem to think they do.
    Me. I pick. That's why there's so much confusion on it... I wasn't around for first 212 years to answer it.
    Before I respond to this, just to clarify: So he was born and raised in New York? Is he a second-generation immigrant?
    In Manhattan, born and raised...

    ...I don't remember the rest of the words.

    Also...

    Maybe we should get back to this. Or try to.

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    Neochud
    Squire
    (id: Taichud)
    posted 08-16-19 08:28 AM CT (US)     398 / 426       
    Hmm, true for the most part I suppose, but there's also notable instances of mingling between diaspora in urban environments. From what I've understood, for instance, the Italian-American and Irish-American communities in New York City in the mid-20th century were quite close-knit, probably because of the similarities between them (both recently experienced an influx of migrants towards America, both were excluded from the WASP elite, but also no longer considered non-white either and could therefore afford decent working-class or even lower-middle class living conditions, etc.)
    Catholics unite, I suppose.
    You have to understand that America has a long, long history of exploitation on a racial basis. It's not mad at all that people formed race-based subcultures based on that, and that they're fiercely protective of the cultural products that stem from that. Of course, you could easily list a few ridiculous instances of 'cultural appropriation' accusations, because there's a lot of those and people on the internet love stupid reasons to get outraged. The point is, however, that culture is one of the few things these communities have to call their own, and that's why they're terrified a member of the wealthy elite will exploit it for selfish personal gain.
    No group can claim ownership of the things that make up a culture, whether it be cuisine, dance or a particular world-view. Also, in truth it's impossible for one group to truly "appropriate" another group's culture, because adopting the cultural products to another environment will creature a totally different culture altogether, and besides it's impossible to delineate clearly where a group begins and ends.

    Therefore, where some "wealthy elite" takes some customs from some oppressed minority for its own pleasure, it hasn't truly "appropriated" anything but simply creates a new cultural context altogether. And where a group takes some customs from another group with the purpose of making a mockery of them, this is appalling, but it can't be called cultural appropriation, but simple racial abuse.

    "Cultural appropriation" is nothing but a deeply regrettable and irrational concept that might have understandably developed among oppressed minorities and perhaps in academic circles with a profoundly American way of thinking.
    Where is the line, though? I used to be in an FB group run by a guy in NYC; a cellist at Julliard. He's of Japanese descent. He is also one of the most virulently anti-Western and particularly anti-American people I've ever known, going so far as to say that Japanese warcrimes are basically nonexistent in the face of the great crime against humanity that is America at literally any time in history. When called on the fact that he's a New Yorker, he described how proud he is that he didn't even speak English until he entered primary school, that he "kept his mother tongue clean."
    He should just move to Japan then, if America is so terrible...

    [This message has been edited by Neochud (edited 08-16-2019 @ 08:30 AM).]

    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 08-16-19 04:23 PM CT (US)     399 / 426       
    I'm sure it's America's fault that he can't. <_<

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    Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
    Moff
    (id: Moff Yittreas)
    posted 08-17-19 10:48 AM CT (US)     400 / 426       
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/15/2020-democrat-will-get-my-vote-never-trump-ex-republican-column/2013614001/?fbclid=IwAR2mHbrT0mvfAjRZQdq3CdNIOK1GBdRMzwT9LIZ-yaPi55v14JAaCRu4YPg

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