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The Editorbuilder
Squire
posted 04-29-03 09:48 AM CT (US)         
Zelda Ocarina of Time - The land of Hyrule
by The Editorbuilder

I wonder how many of you still remember the beginning of this project, 1 Year ago I started it but due my summer holiday I lost intrest in Age of Kings. Now I decided to return, not as active as I used to be but still. It is a start .

And because likly only 10 tot 15 people know about this scenario I will explain it once again. + extra information.

Storyline:
You are just sleeping in your bed when suddenly something wakes you up. When you open your eyes you see a lot of light as reaction you jump out of your bed and drop out of your tree house. When you weak up again you see Saria standing next to you and again that dot of light. Only this time you see it a fairy... A fairy what is she doing at your place? Why she wants to talk to me? When you asked where she was coming for. You discovered it was you! She was looking for you!


Storyline explanation:
The story of the campaign "The World of Zelda" is not that different of the real story of zelda by Nintendo (n64). Names of cities, ranches and area's are mainly from the Nintendo game. But not all names. Most of the names are made up and some extra things on the map that I have added are ofcourse fantasy names.


Game Features:
Zelda as the most of you maybe already know is a true RPG. In the aok:tc remake it simply at RPG too. Using all kind of tricks to get the game more intresting. Most of the tricks are related to the orginal Zelda game. Some are new and not all the tricks of the consule game can be placed in the AoK version of the game. Below you will find the list of tricks I am 100% using.


Features used:

- Modpack (screens below)
- Music packs (info below)
- Exclusieve triggering (time system see trigger trick guide)
- Bottle system
- Wallet system
- Time Based events
- Time Based taunts
- Playing songs
- Upgrade your weapons
- Magic
- Rupee gathering
- Buy equipment
- Call your horse with Song
- Horse Race
- Background music

(this may seem a little old, but 1 year ago it was totally new)

Also I try (not everything) to keep the map as good as possible to Hyrule. Because Hyrule is that big I was forced to leave out some things.

Screenshots of modpack objects:



Fairies



Hyrule stone



A... well



For people that love to shop, A stand



Shop is... closed you fool, we aren't in a 24/7 economy yet!



What is that? Yes it is Link with a fairy!



Now, Smile

Well that was the modpack, but that wasn't all, we have map screens aswell check it out:


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Hyrule City


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Zora Domain


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Temple of Time


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No idea yet


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Death Mountain trail


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Lost woods (you can get lost)


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Magical beans and road to mountain.


Sound Pack information:
2 different types of soundpacks, small and full

Soundpacksmall:
- Saria Song
- Song of Time
- Temple of Time music

Full soundpack:
- Saria Song
- Song of Time
- Temple of Time music
- Hyrule music
- Song of Fire
- Song of Water
- Song of Light
- Gerudo Vally song
- Song of Darkness
- Epona Song
perhaps added more later...


So, for the people that don't know it yet. and for the people that knew it but forgot, but also for the people that still know it, didn't forgot. What do you think



Download the Trigger Trick guide v2.0 ID 344
Creator of the Return of the Mummy series id 715 :: Zelda sneak preview ::
Newest project: The World of Zelda

[This message has been edited by The Editorbuilder (edited 04-30-2003 @ 07:49 PM).]

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The X King
Squire
posted 10-22-03 03:52 AM CT (US)     211 / 246       
The Faerenwere-Scenario. Never finished, Onlly te design was finished(and over 100 triggers). Like the Faerenweremodpack

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The Editorbuilder
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posted 10-23-03 02:48 PM CT (US)     212 / 246       
I wasn't aware of the fact a new zelda modpack has been released, I think I have to have a look at it to see what he changed, I am not all to happy about the modpack I am using now, but it is fine, ofcourse I some addons / changes in the modpack wouldn't hurt

I got TC back to running and I checked out the scenario file I had saved during the time, It seems that most of the map design is still in place but I have to redo the trigger work, it now counts over 600 triggers and I have forgoten what everything does, but that isn't a big problem..


Download the Trigger Trick guide v2.0 ID 344
Creator of the Return of the Mummy series id 715 :: Zelda sneak preview ::
Newest project: The World of Zelda
rayoflightsword
Squire
posted 10-23-03 09:13 PM CT (US)     213 / 246       
THAT ISN'T A BIG PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????

*Remembers to treat his TC CD as a holy relic from now on*


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Elf vrs Orc
Squire
posted 10-24-03 01:29 AM CT (US)     214 / 246       
YEAH editorbuilder returned finnaly.

"I'd rather have a German Division in front of me than a French one behind." -- General Patton --

"I do not fear an army of lions, if they are led by a lamb. "I do fear an army of sheep, if they are led by a lion." -- Alexander the Great --
“ Old soldiers never die; they just fade away.” -- General Douglas MacArthur --

Lord Link Drag
Squire
posted 10-24-03 03:05 PM CT (US)     215 / 246       
Are you gonna have a trigger which puts you from young link to old link?
And wheres the po-fanatics house?

[This message has been edited by Lord Link Drag (edited 10-24-2003 @ 03:08 PM).]

rayoflightsword
Squire
posted 10-24-03 08:42 PM CT (US)     216 / 246       
I think that to play as old Link, you have to play another scenario that will be realeased shortly after.

Quoted from ModRocker:

anyone can make scenarios, its modpacks that requires a true artist.

(poisonously)Allow me to differ.

(even more poisonously)Designing scenarios is more complex since you have to work VERY hard to avoid realising crap in the Blacksmith.

So I've reached this conclusion:

DESIGNING IS MUCH BETTER THAN MODPACKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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ModRocker
Squire
posted 10-24-03 10:26 PM CT (US)     217 / 246       
want me to do some hex editing for u editorbuilder?


scenrio making is SOOOOO boring, though their fun to play with, id rather make modpacks.

rayoflightsword
Squire
posted 10-24-03 11:21 PM CT (US)     218 / 246       
Making MODS is EVEN MORE BORING!

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Maximes9
Squire
posted 10-25-03 09:35 AM CT (US)     219 / 246       
All hail Editorbuilder! Idol of the Newbs!

Maximes9 - AOK Scenario Designer
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- thalliesso hlasstiessan.
LoserWithCoolName
Squire
(id: The Kestrel)
posted 10-25-03 09:48 AM CT (US)     220 / 246       
Those hyrule stones look like they are flying; they need shadows in a huge way.

You want fries with that?
rayoflightsword
Squire
posted 10-25-03 11:10 AM CT (US)     221 / 246       
Also, ModRocker, I think you have more of a modder's mind than a designer's mind, since someone with a designers mind wouldn't get bored while making scenarios. (Or even think making them is boring)

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Mechstra
Banned
posted 10-25-03 11:17 AM CT (US)     222 / 246       
Making mods is far, far more boring (or at least time-consuming) than scenario designing. And I get bored while designing scenarios too, especially when I'm simply working on triggers alone for... uh... minutes on end.
ModRocker
Squire
posted 10-25-03 03:46 PM CT (US)     223 / 246       
making mod packs is like rebuilding aok. i used to love making scenarios,i used to be real skilled with triggers, and i lvoed multiplayer RPGs, i mstered almost all scenario techniques, but i never finished any of my scenarios, they would get 10 % done then i would get enspired to do something new.

how ever i have much patience for modpacks, ive been working on one since the summer and am not even a littlebit bored of it, its real kewl seeing new stuff when ur playing a random map, downlaod a real good modpack liek All Roads Lead to Rome and play a campiagn for the vikings, u will see...

rayoflightsword
Squire
posted 10-25-03 05:36 PM CT (US)     224 / 246       
YUCK! WHAT A DISGRACE! YOU-YOU STOPPED DESIGNING SCENARIOS AND WENT OFF MAKING MODS?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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ModRocker
Squire
posted 10-25-03 05:54 PM CT (US)     225 / 246       
its not that i didnt like making scenarios, its just i dont have the patience for scenario designing, but modding, i have much patience for that, i will work on 1 buildings for hours and not get bored.
rayoflightsword
Squire
posted 10-25-03 06:37 PM CT (US)     226 / 246       
Oh God....... What is happening to this world!?

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musiclover482
Banned
posted 10-25-03 07:13 PM CT (US)     227 / 246       

Quoted from MODROCKER:

scenrio making is SOOOOO boring


WTF are you talkin about! SHUT UP and get outta here, you don't belong.
rayoflightsword
Squire
posted 10-25-03 08:24 PM CT (US)     228 / 246       
Indeed. You are modder, not a designer.

PROOF: You speak like a modder.
You act like a modder.
You like making mods more than making scenarios.
You'll use as much mods in your scenario as you can. (I mean, it was obvious after reading your Middle Earth thread)

SO PREPARE TO GET BURNED!!!!!!!!!!


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LoserWithCoolName
Squire
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posted 10-25-03 09:08 PM CT (US)     229 / 246       
royoflightsword & musiclover: The two of you are pathetic. You should be banned from here right now and punched in the face if you act like that in the real world. And don't even bother "burning" me, as a little ****ed up smiley face with a green flamethrower won't hurt me at all. I'm open to real verbal abuse, though, so if you want, drop me a line.

AIM: S1L1M4N


You want fries with that?
rayoflightsword
Squire
posted 10-25-03 09:29 PM CT (US)     230 / 246       
*Laughs in an evil sort of way at Kestrel's post*

1)There's a grammar mistake in there:It's RayofLightSword, not RoyofLightSword.

2)I don't like someone that posted offensive messages for a long time to try to teach me a lesson.

3)If you think you are going to lure me into using cursewords against you so that I'd get banned you're bang out of order.

4)PREPARE TO GET BURNED!!!!!!!!!!


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WhiteWolf
Squire
posted 10-25-03 09:44 PM CT (US)     231 / 246       
rayoflightsword, you are polluting this thread with all-capitalized similar meaning non-sense. Stop it. It is considered spam, and a moderator might deal with you.

[ Your quote could be here! ]*

* Contact information included separately

[This message has been edited by WhiteWolf (edited 10-26-2003 @ 03:44 PM).]

ModRocker
Squire
posted 10-25-03 10:20 PM CT (US)     232 / 246       
i said i like playing with scenarios, and like to post here because i think zelda is a fun game, i brought up how i could make a mod for this, rayoflightsword u have been giving me shit ever since i got here.

i think the the moderators should deal with ur crap, anyways editorbuilder, sorry for the comosion.

ModRocker
Squire
posted 10-25-03 10:29 PM CT (US)     233 / 246       
loser with a cool name is right, u guys are pathetic, u tell me to get outta here, im actualy offering help to editor builder.
rayoflightsword
Squire
posted 10-25-03 11:55 PM CT (US)     234 / 246       
I never said ANYTHING telling you to stop trying to help EB.
And I think I'll leave for now since I think my self control will blow up in a few seconds and I will start flaming everyone around here.

Edit: And sorry for saying all that mean stuff. I was just having a bad day.
Anyway, to settle this, I have nothing against you.



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[This message has been edited by rayoflightsword (edited 10-25-2003 @ 11:59 PM).]

leighn
Squire
posted 10-26-03 07:08 AM CT (US)     235 / 246       

Mods are fun i make them to, and i am making a rpg to, i want to know something if i placed dead people on the map from an eyecandy snx would it disappear if yes how can i stop it

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rayoflightsword
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posted 10-26-03 09:33 AM CT (US)     236 / 246       
No you can't stop it as far as I know....
Well, at least you can't stop RASHER'S dead bodies from decaying when the game starts, but you CAN use one of Phillip's tricks.

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leighn
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posted 10-27-03 12:56 PM CT (US)     237 / 246       
ok thanks
RASHER'S dead bodies ? ok what r they
I have an idea which is to have the character to come to an area. when he gets there all the units i place down in the editor will die creating fresh new dead bodies then the story will carry on as normal

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ModRocker
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posted 10-27-03 04:50 PM CT (US)     238 / 246       
by editing your message rayofligthsword i was able to find this

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ModRocker
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posted 10-27-03 04:52 PM CT (US)     239 / 246       
ModRocker
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posted 10-27-03 04:55 PM CT (US)     240 / 246       
Indeed. You are modder, not a designer.

PROOF: You speak like a modder.
You act like a modder.
You like making mods more than making scenarios.
You'll use as much mods in your scenario as you can. (I mean, it was obvious after reading your Middle Earth thread)

SO PREPARE TO GET BURNED!!!!!!!!!!

rayoflightsword
Squire
posted 10-27-03 09:48 PM CT (US)     241 / 246       
ModRocker:What's up with all the links?

Leigh:The dead unit bodies in Rasher's map template.


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LinkTheValiant
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posted 10-27-03 10:00 PM CT (US)     242 / 246       
Guys, you do want this thread to stay open, right?

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ModRocker
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posted 10-27-03 10:31 PM CT (US)     243 / 246       
sorry bout the links, ive been wanting to add the little flame thrower guy, hey wheres editor builder, he hasnt posted in a while...
rayoflightsword
Squire
posted 10-27-03 10:42 PM CT (US)     244 / 246       
*smiles*Yes, he hasn't, but I think he will post soon enough.

*Smile starts to twitch*


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Lost_Alcoholic
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posted 10-28-03 04:56 PM CT (US)     245 / 246       
sup editor builder im looking forward to your zelda campaign, I got one question though, is this a remake of the mask of zelda or just zelda 64?

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WildCardDoW
Squire
posted 10-28-03 05:01 PM CT (US)     246 / 246       
Hopefully the original...don't know why thats my fave...(can't wait)
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