Bah, I wasn't saying micro is useless... in early ages basically you're microing your army the vast majority of the time. But when you get to the point where you have the res to constantly be spamming masses of units, you don't have the time to micro things as carefully. I don't care how good you are, in AoC you can't beat 50 units that are being constantly replaced with 20 (unless it's like 20 FU cav vs. 50 unupgraded archers for some stupid reason and they don't put their rally points right). With a 140+ vil econ, you can be spamming out of a ton of buildings.
When you've got to keep cueing units, microing your vils to keep your econ alive, defend against raids, raid yourself, fight your main battle(s), fight a few side ones, help your allies, ask for res/help/etc., change up your units to be countering correctly, research the right techs, etc., it's very hard to spend more than a few seconds every 10 microing your army. Yeah, you micro it as best you can (bring cav back from spears, attack siege with cav, target siege to buildings, patrol archers in, etc.), but you can't focus your entire attention on it anymore.
Age games have always been about econ. Sure, better micro can easily win a game, but it's because you can hit their econ way more easily if you win the battle.
And micro isn't just armies. It's also micoing your vils well so that they gather optimum res. I know that in games like the WC series that econ isn't that big a focus, but I personally find it far more entertaining to need to micro my army so much, but also have lots of things to worry about in terms of econ as well.
I was talking about AoC. If you haven't played AoC ever (since you stopped playing AoK 4 years ago), then I don't think you can go around giving advice for it. You say "only n00bs have big armies", but you ignore the fact that in AoC experts have big ones too. I guess AoC is just a n00b game then (to which you say "of course, lol", and to which I reply, then why do you care about AoEIII? ).RoN is not AoC and AoEIII is not going to be RoN. It's a different game. You think RoN is the best RTS ever, k good for you. This is AoKH, not RoNH...
btw, I know people who've played like 10x the games as me at AoC that I can pwn without trying... Experience isn't always as important as it would seem. Like you said, you can't really judge on that. I prefer ratings to judge AoC skill. (I suck on that basis, of course, since I get bored of rated and haven't gotten above 1644...). If you can reach 1750, I consider that you know how to do everything correctly.
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its not a waste! imo, YOU SHOULD NEVER EVER KEEP BUILDING UNIT ALL THE TIME. u gotta spend ur resource wisely, know whats more important. for instance, if ur enemy econ is much better then urs, n u know he ahve a sizable army to defend. why would u build more unit? to invade? . u should instead try spending those rescource on econ n try to match the enemy econ. caz if u just simply keep spamming unit, it'll just a matter of time when ur enemy out boom u.
k, in AoC, you don't have much to spend your res on aside from military. Sure, econ upgrades cost a bit, but there are only a few.I was talking about when you get to like a 140 vil econ. You've got enough res to be spamming units like crazy. The person who loses many times in lower skilled games is the one who can't keep up the spamming (AoT has AQ, so it doesn't matter as much there). Once you get to like grook level, though, most people can keep up the spam non-stop while still microing their econ and their army.
If they've got a sizable army at home to defend, why is it sitting there? That's as wasteful as having vils not working. They spent res on that army and defending isn't doing much for them. They kill your army, then what? They attack with a weakened army? Sorry, but I've got mine replaced by then. Oh, and the "DM is for n00bs" thing is hilarious. I guess that's why it was included in WCL and WCL2... I guess that's why it requires insane amounts of speed and micro.
What's requires more skill to micro? 30 units or 150? And if you say "DM is cheating, lolz. You get infinite res no econ n00b", I'm not even going to bother discussing this further...
[This message has been edited by Gordon (edited 01-26-2005 @ 01:12 AM).]