Ugh you could've at least given me a chance to upload the new version of Nightmare before judging... I did mention previously that I had one, anyway thanks Promi and gg Offwo

Oh, i didn't do this intentionally sorry.
But next time please say that you want people to wait before judging a game with your AI, cause "Typical that 3 of those things you mentioned are now fixed in the new version" is not something i keep in mind (cause there's no information on when you're gonna release it anyway).
If you want the game to be rejudged then Leif will probably allow someone to do so (not sure though).

I know, but it's judged and it was my fault for not saying so it would be pretty mean to potentially take away Offwo's victory so it can stay as it is

And Leif, isn't this round 3, not round 2? :P

Yep.

And yeah, if you don't want a game to be played because you are close to releasing an update, specifically state that you're going to release an update soon. Then if someone prematurely plays the game, I'll allow a rematch after the update is released.

New version of Nightmare, same link

Crusade (Random => Byzantine) vs UnfairSteel (Random => Goths), yucatan map
The map layout was not well suited for AI with a north to south river separating both teams and only one single passing far north.

Both AI were prepared for yucatan maps, built two mills and hunted all three boars, but still used more farms than necessary for flushing.

Both AIs went for an extended feudal age war with m@a, archer, skirms and towers, Crusade switched to scout later. So he was able to stop Steels final feudal attack easily, but at the cost of a slower castle age advancement. Castle age times were 32min for Steel and 36 min for Crusade, despite Steel losing several villagers trying to build and fish on Crusade's side of the map. But Steel made a good use of his faster age advancement and went for huskies, which I think was a good idea as Crusade had a lot of ranged units.

After Crusade upgraded its units, it attacked. I think the following big battle, which was very one sided in favor of Steel, was mainly decided by the fact Steel uses sn-enable-patrol-attack 1 while Crusade does not. Yes, scripter did such a good job with this SN (and UP in general).

After getting a huge advantage of this battle, Steel immediately counter attacked. Crusade didn't give rank one in the ladder without a good defense, but in the end resistance was futile.

Game Time: 1h34
Winner: Steel
Recorded Game: Link

[This message has been edited by zergs (edited 08-19-2013 @ 09:09 AM).]

One doubt. I thought that every AIs started with 1600 ELO. So winners of the first round should have the same ELO, and losers the same.

Why have AIs with the same result have the same ELO? I know that it can be different after the second round, but I find it strange in the first.

gg campeador, it's round 3 so steel and crusade were higher then promi (also undefeated) because we beat 2 AIs that were originally undefeated (1600 and 1624) while promi defeated one AI that was of 1600 and another of 1576

Yeah, since we had 10 AIs, 5 who won the first round and 5 who lost, there had to be one match between an AI who lost and an AI who won during the second round. Promi was in that match and gained fewer points by winning that match because he had an easier opponent.

[This message has been edited by Leif Ericson (edited 08-19-2013 @ 10:15 AM).]

Leif, it appears you forgot to update Steel's rating. He should be at 1672.

[This message has been edited by zergs (edited 08-19-2013 @ 11:01 AM).]

I want to enter my new version AI Boss 1.45 with random civ .
Thanks.

[This message has been edited by lws735 (edited 08-19-2013 @ 07:21 PM).]

Promi(Japanese) vs. IS_Machine(Saracens)

Map Type: Gold Rush
Game Speed: CE x4/slow

Review: Both ai's go fast feudal and create military units. At first it appeared machine had superiority but promi caught up and attacked first. It hit machines camp and the pain began. Machines army of archers, skirms, spears and scouts races to defend but is eaten by the army of archers and skirms. Promi soon builds a forward tower, perfectly placed ready to pick off any more of machines army. Soon promi is doing lots of damage and retreating its units perfectly when in danger. Promi castles at 27 min and it appears all is lost for machine. Promi's units are upgraded. Something strange happened here though. Promi's army began to act like it had a ram and stopped retreating, eventually losing alot of units to some nice recovery work from machine. Promi retreats and begins booming (slowly). Machine soon hits castle at about 38 min. By now machine has a really nice army brewing. It immediately upgrades and launches a counter attack. This attack at first looks like it could be competitive, but it had too many spears compared to promi's cavalry amount and the spears are eaten by the archers and skirms, while promi's cavalry eat machines archers. Another outclassing for machine. From here promi delivers the death blow, advancing to imp along the way, including many rams and infantry to finish the job off nice and quickly.


Winner: Promi
Game Time: 50.57

Rec: https://app.box.com/s/c5sic5m223y3nfmpracr

Note: Promi didnt drop tc's immediately after reaching castle, it still won the game but it gave machine a chance to come back, which lucky for promi, it wasted badly. I would suggest at least 1 tc after hitting castle after a flush, outboom a damaged enemy and then deliver the death blow

[This message has been edited by cakemaphoneige (edited 08-19-2013 @ 07:55 PM).]

GG duck and thanks for the review Cake!

Will definitely look into the retreat and TC issues!

Nice comment of cakemaphoneige.

Ouch my fav ally AI got beaten by my fav opponent AI. Will
watch the rec game later today. Promi must have started the
game with chat "gl hf". I guess Machine's final words are
"Damn keyboard it doesn't work today."

Though this here is with the userpatch, on 1.0c Promi won't flush and the chance to lose vs IS_Machine is probably higher. :>
But i'm glad you like both our AI's!

And my fav ally AI is The Horde,always!

The Horde(Chinese) vs Boss(Teutons)

Map Type: Ghost Lake
Game Speed: CE x4/slow

Review: It was basically just a boom war. The only thing that happened before both Ai's hit imp was an accidental attack from the horde resulting in boss attacking back, and failing badly. Both ai's Imped shortly thereafter(horde won every age race),The Horde attacked once it was upgraded (it went drop + chuks) with an army of mostly upgraded chuks and a few skirms and cavalry. It came up against mostly skirms but overcame them quite easily. From there it was just a clean up.


Winner: The Horde
Game Time: Forgot to check

Rec: https://app.box.com/s/2246nl3pxlkftob62oth

[This message has been edited by cakemaphoneige (edited 08-19-2013 @ 11:22 PM).]

@Devil_Spankalot

Will
watch the rec game later today.

Unfortunately, UserPatch breaks compatibility for saved and recorded games, so you will not be able to view recorded games from the ladder thread without UP.

Hi cakemaphoneige ,
I can not open that record-game link (boss VS horde) you give.
Could you give me another address?

lws, Archon uploaded it to ai scripters for you, if you havent seen it yet.

Dreadnought (Franks) vs Barbarian (Saracens)

Map Type: Mongolia
Game Speed: CE x4/slow

Review: Both ais go FC. Dreadnought takes the obvious choice, Krush. Barbie on the other hand, goes for monks + scorps. Both are plotting away nicely until Barbie decides to attack. Now, as barbie launches its attack, one monk appears to be much further in front of the rest. It arrives at a builder building a stable and tries to convert the villager, drawing the attention of all Dreadnoughts knights. They rush over and kill the monk, but this left them in the exact path of the rest of Barbies monks, who seemed to ignore the knights presence until they began attacking. I think about 5-7 monks are killed here without converting a single knight, leaving the rest of barbies oncoming army much less powerfull. From here, barbie seems to just keep trying to attack, but never achieves anything more other than converting the occasional knight which proved useless as each knight is killed very quickly by Dreadnoughts army, or converted back by some lucky monks. Soon enough, dreadnought gets Heresy and scouts join the knights. It seems as if everything is even between both ai's but Dreadnought begins to outboom Barbie. The war rages on and Barbie begins to fall behind. Dreadnought is now pushing into barbies city, scouts are upgraded, knights are no more, rams are abundant and get Dreadnought a broomstick because its time to clean up.

Winner: Dreadnought
Game Time: 54.03

Note: Ohnestly, wow, did not expect this one either. Tremendous game and full credit to Dreadnought. I think Barbie got a bit unlucky with a few things, but then again it kind of went suicidal as the game went on, refusing to counter with spearman and such. I agree with sticking to a plan with some strategies, its how some of the best strategies are made, but maybe a few spearman wouldnt hurt when things are looking tough (or your doing a mush and the enemy gets heresy ).

Rec: https://app.box.com/s/b45nxt6rbt1pt1x8m76n

[This message has been edited by cakemaphoneige (edited 08-20-2013 @ 08:30 AM).]

Wow that's incredible! I'd completely written Dreadnought off! In at least 50 test games it had never beaten Barbarian for me!

Thank you Cake and gg II2N

Barbarian The Horde Promi unfairsteel is the big 4 UP AI.1 game no reflect the true level.but however gg Alevo!

[This message has been edited by samoer (edited 08-20-2013 @ 01:53 PM).]

I want to enter my new version AI Boss_1.53 with random civ .
Thanks.

other:
Alevo,good job with Dreadnought!

[This message has been edited by lws735 (edited 08-22-2013 @ 04:15 AM).]

zergs: Chameleon (spanish) vs Dreadnought (franks), yucatan map

Dreadnought went for kt with a few monks while Chameleon had ls, pikes and skirms. Chameleon slowly fell behind in eco as it had only two TC compared to Dreadnought's three.

Oh no my Spanish got pwned by mere Franks. But I thought
Chameleon was good; she did quite well against me when I
played as Spanish; she Goths. Oh well, maybe AIs don't play
that well as Spanish, esp Spanish because the build order
for Spanish civ can be radical depending on map type. But in
any map, Spanish must make all efforts to make as many TCs
as they can make, even if that's done at the expense of castle making.

The Supreme villagers didn't get into action by the look of it.
If I could I would make an AI that specialize in Spanish only.
But I know I couldn't so I keep wishing.

Promi: Though this here is with the userpatch, on 1.0c Promi won't flush and the chance to lose vs IS_Machine is probably higher. :> But i'm glad you like both our AI's!

The reason I like to have Promi as opponent is because Promi
can almost prove to Ensemble Studios that massed Halberdiers
should be banned And they micro themselves individually.

EmperorJustinian: Unfortunately, UserPatch breaks compatibility for saved and recorded games, so you will not be able to view recorded games from the ladder thread without UP.

Thanks for the heads up, bro.

zergs: Chameleon (spanish) vs Dreadnought (franks), yucatan map

Dreadnought went for kt with a few monks while Chameleon had ls, pikes and skirms. Chameleon slowly fell behind in eco as it had only two TC compared to Dreadnought's three.

Oh no my Spanish got pwned by mere Franks. But I thought
Chameleon was good; she did quite well against me when I
played as Spanish; she Goths. Oh well, maybe AIs don't play
that well as Spanish, esp Spanish because the build order
for Spanish civ can be radical depending on map type.

Or maybe Dreadnought was just too good?

Played Chameleon vs. The Unknown. Review coming soon.

Leif, you forgot to fill in the result for Nightmare vs. The Khanate (it was the first game to be played this round).

So this may actually be the first full game I've watched with UP. Crazy, I know.

Chameleon (Vikings) vs. The_Unknown (Turks)

Map: Oasis

Both AIs successfully herd sheep under the TC, although Chameleon seemed to ignore his boar. Unknown advanced to Feudal at 13:30 while Chameleon followed 15 seconds later. Unknown seemed to go FC with a market/smith while Chameleon only built a smith and trained m@a/spears. Chameleon's strategy became clear as he constructed a forward tower. The tower didn't really hit anything, although his infantry hit Unknown's LC as Unknown upped to the Castle Age. The infantry ended up following the villagers to the TC. Unknown sent half a dozen vils to knock down the tower as Chameleon sent some vils to try to repair it. It was to no avail of course.

Chameleon built a market, range, and stable and castled. He soon attacked with a force of upgraded infantry and knights. Unknown for some reason had decided to boom instead of training an army, and he was therefore defenseless against the new attack. Chameleon's army died to the TC, but it still caused damage. The attacks didn't stop however, although Unknown started pumping knights and monks. Soon both AIs were in imperial with Chameleon having a large lead in population. Soon, Chameleon's victory was certain, although the cleanup process was prolonged by Chameleon's attack targeting system. His soldiers wandered all across Chameleon's town to either attack a castle or to attack camps. I'm guessing the latter is due to failing to turn off a setting used for flushing.

Winner: Chameleon
Link


Also, new round is UP.

[This message has been edited by Leif Ericson (edited 08-22-2013 @ 09:37 AM).]

One question. Has sn-enable-patrol-attack set 1 got any disadvantage over don't set it?

I need too much time for my new AI, but you tell me that it won't make my performance worse in any situation, I could add that single line in a version 4.42a.

Perhaps I'll reduce my UP farms later, but it should need a few tests.

It has absolutely no setbacks, and according to some well informed players it makes the AIs "3x better". Definitely add it.

I have an update for UnfairSteel 5.9 the link is the same.

[This message has been edited by UnfairestEel (edited 08-22-2013 @ 11:47 AM).]

Updating my AI to version 1.4k.

Judging The Horde vs IS_Machine.

[This message has been edited by Promiskuitiv (edited 08-22-2013 @ 01:50 PM).]

Thanks for judging, Leif! GG Offwo!
It was the Offwo Feudal Attack, so offwo v offwo

Promi (random => Persians) vs Steel (random => Franks), mongolia map

[20:52:24]Promi kk sounds okay
[20:52:34]Archon awesome deer lure by promi
[20:52:36]Promi i hope Promi will be able to stop him from getting too many knights out
[20:52:38]Promi nice
[20:52:53]Archon but too fast now one rots at 97 food left
[20:53:02]Promi argh
[20:53:10]Promi i really need to do something about that
[20:53:16]Promi but not sure on how to select slain deer
[20:53:20]Promi with DUC
[20:53:28]Promi i think it's not possible
[20:53:31]Archon and I think steel just stole your boar in return.
[20:53:37]Promi omg 11
[20:53:38]Archon timers
[20:53:57]Promi 3 boar krush steel vs 1 boar flush promi
[20:54:06]Archon like if deer is 2 tiles away use a timer for 20s or so
[20:54:15]Promi yeah i can definitely use timers, tasking them to deer would be even better though :> imo
[20:55:28]Archon 13:30 steel still dark age promi has already some ranged units in it's range
[20:55:54]Promi will probably still be too slow though o:
[20:56:03]Archon promi archers flush an unused mill
[20:56:09]Promi argh
[20:56:13]Archon and kill a hunter walking by
[20:56:25]Promi still, that's probably the killing-blow for Promi
[20:56:32]Archon and retreat after more villager lure them into TC
[20:56:45]Archon 17:50 castle age for Steel
[20:56:57]Archon but you got some farmers, too
[20:57:08]Archon and a fwd tower
[20:57:31]Archon but retreating when kt hammer on your units isn't smart
[20:57:59]Archon so flush is gone, steel kt clear the fwd tower
[20:58:07]Archon at 22'
[20:59:31]Archon steel has a monk to collect relics but no 2nd TC and no ranged units to deal with pikes if promi attacks once in castle age
[21:00:07]Promi welp, Promi won't attack
[21:00:24]Archon 27': 2nd steel TC going up in a good spot in front of the base
[21:00:40]Archon promi got castle age at 28'
[21:02:02]Promi Promi has switched to his old strategy
[21:02:16]Archon yes. no pikes and no attack, even though steel has no siege
[21:02:19]Promi So he will try to boom to imp with only as much military as needed to defend himself
[21:02:42]Archon steel got a good placed castle now
[21:03:13]Archon yes, promi 3 TC vs steel still 2 TC
[21:06:01]Archon damn, forgot game is running with f8. now at 43' both players in imp
[21:06:48]Archon steel launches an attack with castle age upgraded units only, but hits your lc
[21:07:07]Promi doesn't mean much but: what are the points?
[21:07:11]Archon gets +4 armor and cavalier before promi makes any defensive move
[21:07:32]Archon 46': promi 10,1k steel 9.5k
[21:08:00]Promi kk, Promi might still lose at that point though, he isn't consequent enough at getting researches such as hussars
[21:08:03]Archon promi just WE, no elite up
[21:08:14]Archon but steel has no halbs
[21:08:23]Archon but starts doing them
[21:09:47]Archon steel gathers units inside instead of defending his tripple castle
[21:10:12]Archon but promi still can't destroy them
[21:10:19]Archon with just rams and no trebs
[21:10:35]Promi He still has no EWE right?
[21:10:47]Archon now steel counter attacks, both 13.5k points
[21:10:58]Archon promi had 2k lead
[21:11:09]Promivhe willnever take these upgrades
[21:11:26]Promi argh that's annoying
[21:11:33]Archon [21:10:35]PromiHe still has no EWE right? << no, but that is a rather expensive one in 1v1 if enemy goes aggressive
[21:11:34]Promi usually the games are decided before imp
[21:11:45]Archon and steel has no pala either yet
[21:12:49]Archon usually steel loves monks, but this time when he should get some he has none
[21:13:32]Archon promi ceases his elephant plans
[21:13:52]Archon has pikes + eskirms + hc
[21:14:16]Archon steel has the same plus lc, but he has halbs already
[21:14:38]Archon and his rams just ate two castles
[21:16:53]Archon promi has 3 castles left but all at a poor spot
[21:16:58]Promi if promi would just wait
[21:17:03]Promi and upgrade his units
[21:17:06]Promi this could be so good
[21:17:08]Promi but he won't
[21:17:24]Promi cause steel will keep doing these weird attacks until Promi is dead
[21:17:33]Promi cause Promi doesn't cope well with the pressure
[21:20:43]Archon steel adds scorps now, which are very effective vs promi's army
[21:21:17]Promi finish didn't even complete his desired researches so he didn't even treat it as post-imp
[21:21:19]Promi meh
[21:23:17]Archon does promi use place-control or place-point with castles or just ts
[21:23:30]Archon as they're all useless at the map border
[21:23:43]Promi yeah i'd love to place them to the side but i can't
[21:23:44]Promi so i use ts
[21:24:27]Promi i don't want to put them in the front since those pathetic arrows don't help much anyway and i want to keep the castles to train units in them
[21:24:32]Promi but behind my base they are meh too
[21:24:33]Promi so yeah
[21:24:35]Archon 1h27 promi 23k vs steel 28k
[21:25:41]Archon steel has 5 trebs but doesn't really go aggressive with them, so there is a chance promi will make it to the 2 hour time line
[21:27:09]Archon Clever move: steel cleared promis active camps
[21:27:51]Archon so promi is now really with his back against the wall (do the english speaker say this?)
[21:30:18]Archon15 min left
[21:31:00]Promi promi still alive?
[21:31:09]Promi or is he getting destroyed right now?
[21:32:23]Archon good thing UP has fixed building under construction bug, 5 steel trebs hammering on new foundations all the time (and promi keeps rebuilding them)
[21:33:31]Archon but steel army is idling again
[21:34:42]Archon persian start TC down
[21:35:57]Archon three trebs down, but instead of killing the remaining two promi retreats to some other TC
[21:36:10]Promi as long as Promi gets a tie... ^^
[21:36:14]Promi gametime?
[21:37:10]Archon 2hours exceeded
[21:37:39]Archon promi resigned at 2h7
[21:37:44]Archon gg wp


Result: Draw after 2:00:00
Recorded Game: Link

edit: cleaned chat log a bit, but it keeps eating the formating. :/

[This message has been edited by zergs (edited 08-22-2013 @ 03:26 PM).]

Thanks for judging archon and gg Eel!



The Horde (Koreans) vs. IS_Machine (Saracens)


Map Type: Mongolia

Review:

The Horde planned on flushing while IS_M just trained a flush defense. The Horde was just moving to attack when he discovered that IS_M also built a well placed defensive tower and decided to retreat to get to the castle-age and attack with the upgraded units.
But IS_M decided to do the same - just faster. After arriving in the castle-age IS_M even left The Horde some time to arrive in the castle-age and upgrade its units too but then IS_M still attacked. The attack wasn't too effective, it was pretty much a tie, but a few minutes later IS_M attacked again, then again and again and again. Inflicting more and more damage with each attack.
After 47 minutes The Horde was in a position in which it would be impossible to turn the game around if IS_M would continue to play like that and thus The Horde resigned.
GG!

Winner: IS_Machine
Rec: https://app.box.com/s/ug40jds7czzayqgh00d1

[This message has been edited by Promiskuitiv (edited 08-22-2013 @ 03:19 PM).]

Crusade updated to 4.42a.

Just sn-enable-patrol-attack set to 1. Nothing more.

If I win my next match I'll say that it's because my AI is great. Otherwise I'll say UnfairestEel is the guilty.

Or perhaps the guilty will be Alevo because his AI. Hard decision.

I want to enter my new version AI Boss_1.54 with random civ .
Thanks.

vgg promi and thanks archon.

[This message has been edited by UnfairestEel (edited 08-22-2013 @ 09:06 PM).]

Watch out, Dreadnought has already been lucky enough to beat Barbarian

I'd also like to challenge The_Khanate to a rematch with Nightmare please Nightmare has also been updated!

[This message has been edited by Alevo (edited 08-23-2013 @ 03:42 AM).]

The Khanate (Random => Aztecs) vs. Chameleon (Random => Saracens)

Slow Speed x5.
Map - Arabia

Khanate's Aztecs should have the civilization advantage here as they have no cavalry for Chameleon to counter!

Khanate trains 5 militia and many villagers in the Dark Age, delaying his Feudal time to after 15 minutes. Chameleon is trundling along peacefully. Chameleon reaches castle just before 20 minutes while Khanate is a bit later despite having the necessary resources. Chameleon begins training trash while Khanate has resorted to the very strong Aztec monks!

Chameleon soon adds a knight or two and a few cavalry archers but Khanate just trains more monks. He advances to imperial first and soon attacks after getting many barracks up to make eagle warriors.

Khanate's attack with many monks and a few eagles proves too much for Chameleon first time. Chameleon loses most of his troops to Khanate and the game is pretty much over immediately.

Winner - The_Khanate
Game time - 00:52:58

Note: I made a mistake in not pressing the Record Game button before the I started the game. If either scripter wants me to replay the game then I will do so.

[This message has been edited by Alevo (edited 08-23-2013 @ 07:42 AM).]

Boss(Random => Turks) vs Barbarian(Random => Persians)

First thing of interest I notice is Boss building a second mill in a pointless spot, wasting 100 wood

Barbarian going for very few farms (3) and two Lcs and so I was surprised at the 13' feudal

First attack was from barbarian who flushed, his attack knocked back by... villagers! However Barbarian wasn't finished yet as he launched a second attack of mostly ranged units again. And again Boss managed to fight it off with an actual army this time and minimal effort. This left boss with a slight military advantage, but he decided against counter attacking so barbarian peacefully made it to castle age first at 26:30 and boss followed about a minute later. Barbarian doesn't take advantage of this window so it comes down to booming, or so I thought...

Barbarian got a second TC up faster because he used many villagers as opposed to one. But it turns out he's more interested in attack as he launches an attack with knights and Eskirms. Being Turkish, Boss can't upgrade his numerous skirmishers leaving him in deep trouble. Barbarian comfortably wins this battle and therefore the war.

Winner: Barbarian

Game time: 50'

Recording Link: http://forums.aiscripters.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2491&p=60021#p60021

Notes:
to lws735
-I would recommend increasing sn-mill-max-distance before building a second mill or not building a second mill except on yucatan.
-Use Multiple villagers to build TCs using (up-assign-builders c: town-center c: 5) and (up-assign-builders c: 621 c: 5). 621 is the town center foundation ID
-Turks need to focus on their strengths to win, castle age skirmishers is not one of these strengths

To II2N:
-The flush was way too slow, if Boss had gone fc it would have done minimal damage but since he counter flushed it did minimal damage anyway.
-Either should have more farms in dark age, or aim for a faster feudal time.

Crusade (Persians) vs Dreadnought (Spanish)

Map: Mongolia

Normal dark age with both AIs going for heavy farming. Crusade hit feudal first with his flush and instantly dropped a stable and an archery and began training scouts. Dreadnought on the other hand worried me when he took a while to drop his stable as I didn't want the game to be ruined by a bug. But he eventually did. And Crusade attacks, unsuccessfully due to lack of micro but manages to get a tower up (although the first few towers were cancelled) and this disturbs Dreadnoughts villagers. Dreadnought hits castle at 19:04- too slow to be taking on even a 1.0c flush. Crusade doesn't give up however, and this is where the result of the match becomes apparent. as crusade starts attacking outlying buildings and kills any villagers that go wandering too far from tc. This wouldn't be a problem but Dreadnoughts output of knights was too slow to be taking on such a hardened rusher. The rest of the match was crusade cleaning up.

Winner: Crusade

Game time: 45'


Recording link: http://forums.aiscripters.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2491&p=60021#p60021

Notes:
to Campeador
-RETREAT when your army is going to die by TC, you need to get out of there. and then stop retreating after about 5-10 seconds, this way you can endlessly harass the opponent until they bring in military.
-Set sn-livestock-to-town-center 1 it's a useful sn.

to Alevo
-Your TS is too high early castle age and maybe use code to detect a flush and if activated try postponing eco techs for more early knights (or something)
-Garrison is a useful tool to combat flushers with the userpatch, try to use it more.
-Probably need more wood gatherers while advancing to feudal so you can instantly drop a stable and blacksmith: this was why you were so slow.

[This message has been edited by UnfairestEel (edited 08-23-2013 @ 10:41 AM).]

Thanks for judging Eel, I'm seeing what I can do
gg, Campeador

New Unknown/Khanate uploaded ~same link.

No idea how they will preform as I havn't touched them for over a month, but whatever changes I made were probably for a reason 11

The Khanate(Korean) vs Nightmare(Byzantine)

On yucatan koreans vs byz this map is awesome with extra res and a river seperating the 2 sides and plenty of chokepoints and fish, this match is looking to be a ripper.

In dark age Nightmare looks alright (doing nothing wrong) however khanate is doing everything perfectly: two good mills, a perfectly placed lumber camp and good multiple boar hunting. Also khanate wisely takes advantage of the natural resources and builds only 2 farms in dark age and gets a fast feudal, it is simply the best dark age I've ever seen from a natural wonders view.

The action begins quickly with khanate employing skirmishers and spearmen to launch a fast attack before nightmare reaches feudal age at around 14'. Nightmare is saved by a defensive tower and presumably switches to a counter-flush as flags appear on his military buildings. Khanate's army is quickly scattered which is good for harassing Nightmares villagers, but would die quickly if it faced an army: As Nightmare ungarrisons, his smaller army cuts up khanates fragments leveling the score.

Khanate attacks again with groups or patrol attack – his army is grouped – and wisely goes around the tower to the gold camp. However Khanates army got smashed by the combined force of Nightmares army and his TC giving nightmare a large military advantage, it's just a matter of using it. And he does

But Nightmare's counter-attack looks hopeless as he hits Khanate's forward tower, but then he hits castle age and builds a stable and a TC, looking on the money. Khanate follows a minute later.

Right now Nightmare should have a huge advantage but lost too many skirmishers to the forward tower to capitalise so it looks like a boom war....

Nightmares score advantage continues to increase despite being a TC down (2v3) eventually getting as much as 500 points ahead

Now this is interesting, at 35' Khanate hits imp(!) although a bit of a battle just before reaching imp may reduce his ability to instantly upgrade.

NO! Khanate wins this battle and all of a sudden is in a very good position! While things look bad for Nightmare, he is putting up a good fight, it's still far from over.

At 41' Nightmare hits imperial age! Despite being under heavy siege this doesn't seem like a good idea though... And he begins to win back space with Eskirms vs Khanate's arbalests. Khanate needs to change tactic or the match will turn around. He does, he storms in with at least 6 rams and cause serious havoc combined with 2 forward castles.

At 47' Khanate begins stealing the relics from Nightmare, this is bad. While it looks like Khanate has this in the bag, it wouldn't hurt to change from arbalests to maybe onagers, or anything but archer-line - if Nightmare wasn't already so badly hurt he probably would have won the match back with Cataphracts and Eskirmishers. We are witnessing awesome ram domination here. And nice rebuilding efforts from Nightmare

At 54' I can safely say it's been a gg but game over and well played while Khanate cleans up and it's game over.

Winner: The Khanate

Game time: 1h

Recorded game link: http://forums.aiscripters.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2491&p=60021#p60021

Notes:
To Offwo
-VERY well played! up until late in the game I couldn't really find flaws in the way Khanate played, and with koreans it scares me to think what could happen with better civs.
-Don't let the enemy just counter you, swap it up... going full arbs(+rams) vs Eskirms can't be too good. I did see a single elite war wagon late in the game but still being countered by skirmishers.

To Alevo
-Also very well played, but room for improvement. I honestly struggled to find problems with Nightmare, just seemed to be a bit slower then Khanate for the entire match.
-I don't know if Nightmare was trying to boom or just get to imp ASAP, but if Nightmare was trying to boom: 2 TCs won't cut it in booms wars (hypocritical statement lol)

Again this match was epic

[This message has been edited by UnfairestEel (edited 08-23-2013 @ 11:59 AM).]

I'll watch this when I can, gg Offwo
Thanks again Eel ^^

Good matches! Only one game left.

GG Offwo and Khanate! Thanks for the review, Alevo!

I want to enter my new version AI Boss_1.59 with random civ .
Thanks

[This message has been edited by lws735 (edited 08-24-2013 @ 01:12 AM).]

Someone hurry up and judge the last game so I can do a few from next round